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The Burning Times: fascinating docu on women's power before Christianity

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sakura · 28/05/2011 01:15

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ANd why women are feared to the extent that they are accused of witchcraft and killed for it

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goodkate · 30/05/2011 19:51

Hell - lets talk here.

We in the west have fought hard for where we are now. I think it is important to realise how far we have come in the past 100 years after centuries of oppression. There are women in the world who are still treated like the witches were. The problem is men's hard wiring. (I will save the boast for later)

LRDTheFeministDragon · 30/05/2011 19:50

Good point GB. Besides which, if we never put one step into anywhere where women had been oppressed, we'd never leave the house, which would be more than ironic.

StewieGriffinsMom · 30/05/2011 19:49

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garlicbutter · 30/05/2011 19:48

dittany Mon 30-May-11 19:14:56*

Women should know our history and the fact is that the christian church tortured and killed us as witches.

It's why no woman should put one step inside a catholic or protestant church for starters.

Since churches were the keepers of records, setting foot inside them is a useful way to learn about history.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 30/05/2011 19:47

Mitchie - I'm interested, if you do want to start a new thread or talk here.

Goblinchild · 30/05/2011 19:47

I think I mentioned that way back on page 1.

MitchiestInge · 30/05/2011 19:46

I'm glad somebody wants to talk about the fact that this is Still Happening! I was thinking of starting new thread.

dittany · 30/05/2011 19:45

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goodkate · 30/05/2011 19:44

What saddens me the most is that this is still going on today in some parts of the world. I think we must take comfort from the fact that men are clearly threatened by us, and our time in the world is coming and very fast too. It will tilt our way within the next 100 years.

Can I add a boastful anecdote to this discussion please?

dittany · 30/05/2011 19:43

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MitchiestInge · 30/05/2011 19:42

Hope am not included in 'witchcraze had nothing to do with misogyny' having already described it earlier in thread as rampantly insane misogyny (or something like that). Just found it very difficult to get past the whole 'before Christianity everything was lovely for women' thing which spoilt the whole documentary for me. That is not intended in any way to defend Christianity, just for avoidance of doubt.

StuckInTheMiddleWithYou · 30/05/2011 19:41

Dittany, you're a historical illiterate.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 30/05/2011 19:40

swallowed - the short answer is, all of it, pretty much.

They make out that there was once a pre-Christian era in which women were powerful, and that witches drew on this pre-Christian power and were therefore persecuted. Unfortunately, they placed the pre-Christian era of woman power at a time when many women were in fact being oppressed by Christainity and by other religions, some of which we know were explicitly and fundamentally misogynistic. It basically pretended that everything was great for women during this time, whereas in fact women were being treated pretty horribly for much of that time.

StuckInTheMiddleWithYou · 30/05/2011 19:39

Erm it was more than the date of the introduction of Christianity they got wrong!

The use of the term "celts", their ideas on the treatment of women in pagan times, setting up a laughable dictomony between Christian and pagan beliefs... All outdated historial views.

StewieGriffinsMom · 30/05/2011 19:38

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garlicbutter · 30/05/2011 19:37

Sorry, my post at 19:34 was in reply to yours of 19:08, ditanny. This thread's whizzing along on its broomstick Grin

dittany · 30/05/2011 19:37

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goodkate · 30/05/2011 19:36

Tyr, yes me too. and you misunderstand and i was young! My boss was a god awful misogynist man moaning about inequality, while he expected his wife to stay at home "bake his buns and suck his dick"! I was trying to make a point.

HHLimbo · 30/05/2011 19:35

Swallowed a fly - turns out there wasnt anything inaccurate, there are just some odd types on this thread.

dittany · 30/05/2011 19:34

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garlicbutter · 30/05/2011 19:34

From your remark that I quoted.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 30/05/2011 19:33

Sorry, kate, I called it as I see it but didn't mean it as a personal comment to you as a Tory feminist. If I'd known you were one I'd have chosen another comparison.

goodkate · 30/05/2011 19:32

LRD less of the Tory Campaigning link with Mysogynists stuff please. I'm sick of women assuming that just because you have right wing views you don't believe in total equality. So get off the case OK.

MitchiestInge · 30/05/2011 19:32

'Why is it still happening?'

Why is what still happening?

Witch trials.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 30/05/2011 19:31

But dittany, nobody is ignoring it. SGM obviously spends time researching and teaching about precisely what happened to these women; Milly and others clearly know a lot about it too. Once again, it seems that just because you don't know about it, you assume others are equally ignorant, when in fact they've shown you they are already active in this area.

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