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The Burning Times: fascinating docu on women's power before Christianity

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sakura · 28/05/2011 01:15

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ANd why women are feared to the extent that they are accused of witchcraft and killed for it

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sakura · 31/05/2011 02:07

edit: I find the outrage on this thread a source of fascination in itself

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sakura · 31/05/2011 02:05

The Burning Times. the witch burnings in other words need to be taught in school as a proper part of the syllabus.

None of this men's studies that we all have to suffer through under the psuedonum of 'history'

It is disgusting that so few people know about how women have been persecuted for a) being women and b) being women of knowledge

Today women are seen as stupid but that is because knowledge has been witheld from them over the past few centuries

We need to take that further and make it common knowledge that not only has education been witheld from us but that knowledge of herbs, midwifery and medicine was actually stolen from women and they were killed on a massive scalefor being knowledgable .

And for being spinsters too: it was the end of the age of the single woman. Women were targeted because they lived alone (with their cats) and this  the patriarchy could not have. Their healing professions with knowledge passed down from woman to woman would have enabled them to earn a living. Again, this the patriarchy could not have.

Mentions in Buffy and Harry Potter don't quite cut it MisterDarcy

The feminists that made this film have made a good start

IT's not perfect, but it's a good start

Who would have thought they'd tapped into such a well of outrage! If find the outrage on this thread at the fact they dared made that film (perfect or not) as fascinating as the film itself.

Whereas nobody is outraged at the daily LIES told by the patriarchy about women in every. single. documentary. and. film.

A good example is that insects in movies are portrayed as male.Ants etc. THis is a patriarchal LIE. Almost all ants are female. Most bees are female too. These are the type of patriarchal lies that people need to be fed constantly in order to maintain dominance.

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swallowedAfly · 31/05/2011 01:51

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garlicbutter · 31/05/2011 00:33

Oh, I didn't think so. Never mind: I need to go to sleep, and I hope you feel better tomorrow.

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garlicbutter · 31/05/2011 00:17

SAF - didn't want you to consider a thread-killing career on your sick bed (seems unhealthy somehow.) So I thought I'd give you this:
feminists never end up writing/theorising anything
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

The author clearly hadn't visited this forum!
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dittany · 31/05/2011 00:14

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swallowedAfly · 30/05/2011 23:59

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Tyr · 30/05/2011 23:57

swallowedAfly Mon 30-May-11 23:55:26

i need to find something that i read last week that this is reminding me of.

it was saying that women could get so caught up in fear of getting something wrong or not being 100% accurate that feminists never end up writing/theorising anything. that they handicap themselves with unreachable standards that no one else has bothered with.

Not a problem Starhawk has ever encountered.

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Tyr · 30/05/2011 23:51

Dittany,

You have an unhealthy obsession with the malleus and don't seem to understand that it was discredited almost immediately by the ecclesiastical authorities. Never let the facts stand in the way of a good rant, eh?
Starhawk has a similar problem; she has no respect for fact, rationale or perspective. No intelligent person would respect the view of one who blatantly lies about known facts.
The reason the malleus was so "popular" (illiteracy was the norm amongst men as well) is for the very reason you are clearly getting off on reading it today; not because it received widespread respect for its contribution to the issue of heresy, whch you still appear to see as entirely gender specific. It was thinly veiled covert lust and you appear to be as susceptible to its charms now as others were at the time. Still quite a good read, isn't it? Enjoy......

motherinferior · 30/05/2011 23:38

So there are some artefacts which are open to interpretation (I do realise this is pretty well par for the course with archaology Grin).

dittany · 30/05/2011 23:35

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Penthesileia · 30/05/2011 23:35

garlicbutter: yes, I know. They will defy conclusive interpretation without any further supporting evidence. But motherinferior asked what evidence, such as it is, there is for prehistoric matriarchies/goddess cults, and I was answering her. Smile

dittany · 30/05/2011 23:33

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motherinferior · 30/05/2011 23:31

Thank you, garlicbutter, that's what I was asking about.

dittany · 30/05/2011 23:30

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garlicbutter · 30/05/2011 23:30

Penthesileia, the existence of 'goddess' figurines proves about as much as the existence of Mary figurines today.

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motherinferior · 30/05/2011 23:29

Claig, I know that. I keep saying I know that. I know loads and loads and loads about it. It is those pre-Christian matriarchal systems that I am asking about.

claig · 30/05/2011 23:27

motherinferior, our Western civilization comes from Greece. Athens was named after the Goddess Athena, who was the protector of the city. The Parthenon is her temple and people worshipped her and gave offerings to her. They worshipped both Goddesses and Gods, and people were free to choose which one of the pantheon they had as their favourite.