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The Burning Times: fascinating docu on women's power before Christianity

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sakura · 28/05/2011 01:15

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ANd why women are feared to the extent that they are accused of witchcraft and killed for it

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Tyr · 31/05/2011 22:18

I didn't dispute the origin of the word itself. She is correct that "husband" and "husbandry" come from the same root; it is equally correct to say that the word "paedophile" means one who loves children. Similarly, she is correct that women were executed as witches. That is about the sum of it.

swallowedAfly · 31/05/2011 22:18

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 31/05/2011 22:17

SGM that is awful.

Also - in light of what Tyr said about India (which is rubbish anyway, but ...) - this isn't just happening in cultures where arranged marriage is the norm. Look at Russia and Eastern Europe.

StewieGriffinsMom · 31/05/2011 22:13

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dittany · 31/05/2011 22:11

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 31/05/2011 22:10

There are still parts of the world where women are be sold - into prostitution, for example - by their husbands. It's not just in the past. Sad

LRDTheFeministDragon · 31/05/2011 22:08

No worries SAF, I just worried because I was being snarky to Tyr about my knowledge of OE and it was a bit cheap given the OED outclasses that any day.

I think he knows what hysteria means and is hoping we'll bite. Hmm

dittany · 31/05/2011 22:07

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 31/05/2011 22:03

Me SAF, or Tyr? If me, I should say it's stupid to try to argue against an OED citation unless you're in the business of writing the OED, and I don't think Tyr or I is. Dittany's already given the citation, so there's no issue. I can also tell Tyr he's wrong to mock the women-as-livestock issue, because it is perfectly true and well attested.

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LRDTheFeministDragon · 31/05/2011 21:57

She is correct that 'husband' and 'husbandry' come from the same root, and she is correct that women used to be livestock owned by men.

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Tyr · 31/05/2011 21:55

LRD,

Right about what, exactly?

LRDTheFeministDragon · 31/05/2011 21:52

Tyr, as SGM says, if you know something, share.

From what little I know, having only studied OE as part of my Masters, I think dittany is right. If you know different, though, feel free to explain.

Tyr · 31/05/2011 21:46

I used it to describe the misinformed nonsense coming from some quarters. That is different.

StewieGriffinsMom · 31/05/2011 21:44

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Tyr · 31/05/2011 21:41

Aliceworld,

You're wrong about that and, if you read back over the posts, you'll see that.

AliceWorld · 31/05/2011 21:40

"Hysterical"? Hmm

Tyr · 31/05/2011 21:38

No, there are huge problems with it, full stop. It's just wrong. I was going to type a response pointing out how words linking all manner of disparate concepts share common roots and for various reasons. I'd also intended to give a brief outline of the various types of semantic shift encountered in that field but I was laughing so hard at the livestock comment, I couldn't and the urge has gone off me now. Somehow, I don't think it would have made any difference, coming from a "MRA" (actually quite funny that one, if you knew the truth)
I'm actually waiting to see what she comes up with next. She may, for example, be searching the field of micro-biology as we speak for a useable nugget.
On a more serious note, those who protest most loudly their (as they see it) feminist agenda on this thread might wish to reflect on the impression they (with one or two exceptions) create of themselves with this kind of hysterical nonsense.
Unless of course they are actually joking. Which I doubt.

AliceWorld · 31/05/2011 21:37

Tyr - leave off the personal insults. From what I've seen you've come on this thread to goad Dittany. Don't do that.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 31/05/2011 21:15

Sorry, I mean obviously there are huge problems with that as a concept, but as a description it's totally valid and not 'imaginative' at all, just true.

LRDTheFeministDragon · 31/05/2011 21:14
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But she's right that wives were livestock and the word husband/husbandry are from the same root. What's the problem with that?