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"A super-cute Lolita look"

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IWouldNotCouldNotWithAGoat · 27/05/2011 08:26

here

Am I being prudish? Wear sandals with socks for a super-cute Lolita look? This is aimed at teenage girls!! Am I over-reacting or is this just wrong?

It's a New Zealand shop, BTW.

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sakura · 28/05/2011 01:21

yes it's about how desperate being a paedophine is for HUmbert.
What a "what about teh menz" storyline.

And did anybody here NOTICE the utterly misogynistic and vile portrayal of lolita's mother, whom he despised from the moment he set eyes on her? It made me ill, really. More misogyny. From a man? What a suprise. Not!

sakura · 28/05/2011 01:19

regarding Nabokov... I honestly can't think of a more mainstream and banal subject than the normalization of predatory males' lust for little girls.

Where is the originality? Men have lusted after little girls for thousands of years. It has been written into laws. It was only when feminists began protesting this "normalization" of paedophilia that people began questioning it. The Church has never questioned it. QUITE THE OPPOSITE. IT was nineteenth century feminists that first began to say that men taking advantage of young girls was wrong. Until then it was completely and utterly normal.

So again, I fail to see the "brilliance" in Nabokov's work. He just comes accross as an ancient patriarch worried about losing an ancient patriarchal privilege, and the men who love his book come across the same way

DioneTheDiabolist · 27/05/2011 23:35

I read it without being told to. I in no way found it titallating. I did find it very interesting. For me it was the story of how a man becomes a predatory paedophile and how desperate it makes him. It was the story of the abuse and manipulation of a child with nowhere to turn.

BTW, even in Romeo and Juliet, Juliet's father talks of his reluctance to have his daughter marry so young.

StewieGriffinsMom · 27/05/2011 20:39

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Hullygully · 27/05/2011 19:45

It might not have been about your idea of love. It was about Humbert's.

StewieGriffinsMom · 27/05/2011 19:44

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InmaculadaConcepcion · 27/05/2011 19:29

SGM you okay?

Don't type if it hurts. Can you have a lie-down?

madwomanintheattic · 27/05/2011 19:29

it is very revealing, isn't it?

that shakespeare is a pillar of society. Grin

InmaculadaConcepcion · 27/05/2011 19:27

Lolita is a very interesting book, a tale told very cleverly. It makes for very uncomfortable reading.

It got me thinking about the depiction of children and sexuality and the way it's changed over time in terms of what is deemed acceptable and what isn't.

Romeo and Juliet, for example. When they consummate their marriage, Juliet is age 12. (I seem to remember Romeo is about 19, but it's a while since I studied the play).
Romeo would be in jail for rape and the nurse and friar in jail for aiding and abetting if it happened in this country nowadays.
(I believe even in Elizabethan times, 12 was seen as rather too young for marriage, but the fact the play is set in Italy supposedly made it seem okay "cos that's what furriners do....")

madwomanintheattic · 27/05/2011 19:25

yes. it's the ambiguity that makes writers interested in subjects. and come up with different ways to explore them. sometimes not just ambiguity though, but deliberate focus on controversial subjects.

have you got a migraine sgm? are you ok?

StewieGriffinsMom · 27/05/2011 19:19

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Hullygully · 27/05/2011 19:19

As does everything.

We are ambiguous about everything. We don't know what we think about sex with anyone/anything at any age. we made up 16 as the age of consent arbitrarily, consenting homosexual sex is only just legal. Girls in other countries are married at puberty and younger etc etc ad infinitum.

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madwomanintheattic · 27/05/2011 19:15
Grin i knew there was another book i'd seen that i'd meant to pick up - and you've reminded me that was it!
swallowedAfly · 27/05/2011 19:14

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madwomanintheattic · 27/05/2011 19:04
Hullygully · 27/05/2011 18:59

Lots of people also force goats and such to have sex with them.

Lots of people do lots of wrong wrong things.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't write about them.

Have you read Lolita? It is absolutely NOT titivating at any level. It is about Humbert's desperation.

madwomanintheattic · 27/05/2011 18:57

ach, that's all students. tis on all the reading lists.

i don't think i know a single person that has read it that wasn't told to by a tutor.

Hullygully · 27/05/2011 18:57

And want to force them to have sex with them.

Hullygully · 27/05/2011 18:56

They find male children erotic too.