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Just wanted to say that I love Michelle Obama

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 25/05/2011 17:44

Did anyone else see her speaking to those girls in Oxford today? She was speaking out about the importance of girls' education, and she even put in a good word about Hillary Clinton.

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dittany · 25/05/2011 20:47

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SybilBeddows · 25/05/2011 20:40

Haven't you heard the joke about Bill and Hillary visiting her old hometown and they stop for petrol and Hillary recognises the petrol station attendant as someone she used to date in high school. Bill says 'Just think, if you'd married him you'd be the wife of a petrol station attendant!' and she says 'No Bill, if I'd married him I would be the wife of the president of the United States!'

though I think that is really an anti-Hillary joke, made up by people who think powerful women are scary.

TeiTetua · 25/05/2011 20:32

Sorry, I can't budge on this. Hillary Clinton's start in public life was made possible because she was married to Bill Clinton. That's not an attack on her--you could actually say "Even a woman as brilliant as Hillary Clinton had to enter politics by being married to a president."

Or, you might say that she is in fact so brilliant that she would have made it anyway. Maybe it's true, I don't know. What didn't happen can't be proved.

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DilysPrice · 25/05/2011 19:56

Actually I don't feel like that about Hillary - she's been elected and served as Senator for New York, she's run a solid campaign for the Democratic nomination for the Presidency and lost out to an outstanding candidate, and she's now serving in one of the most powerful appointments in the world.

I think that saying "oh she only did it because she's Bill's wife" would put me on the wrong side.

TeiTetua · 25/05/2011 19:27

What Dilys said, unfortunately. And if Hillary Clinton hadn't married Mr OralSexIsntReallySex, would she be a person we'd ever have heard of? Maybe, but I have to doubt it.

Say what you like about Margaret Thatcher, it was nothing like that for her.

But (crumbs from the table maybe) it's good to see that the best men and the best women can attract each other.

meditrina · 25/05/2011 19:12

There was a short thread in chat during her speech.

The things highlighted in that one were:

  • values and family were more important than £££.
  • "Don't go after the A" the aim shouldn't be the grade, but the learning. Rushing narrowly for the grade means you miss out on the learning. Instead what you need to do is read lots, write lots, practise, relax into your own space - if you're passionate about it, you can become good at it. Work hard.
  • good relationships don't hurt.

Some very positive messages there.

DilysPrice · 25/05/2011 18:56

I do love her, and she does say some great stuff, and inspire the girls and looks fabulous and I tend to well up when I see her doing her thing.

But.......AIBU to feel that when everyone makes such a fuss of her, the message we're giving these girls is "If you work hard and believe in yourself then maybe you too can marry a powerful really hot man and bear his children and follow him around the world."

She's fabulous, but she is here in her capacity as someone's wife, and I have deep reservations about "someone's wife" being the ultimate role model for our girls.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 25/05/2011 18:50

"Our job as women is to envision ourselves as leaders and be ready to battle."

I really want to read the whole of her speech/response to questions. I hope people will have been watching that in schools today.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 25/05/2011 18:18

I know! I wanted to post a link but the only one I could find spent the first part tlaking about her inspirational speech to girls about achieving in their careers, and the second part about how she had "won" and "lost" fashion points in various outfits. Nobody sees the irony, obviously.

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celadon · 25/05/2011 17:58

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AnnVeronica · 25/05/2011 17:48

She is a fantastic role model for girls, from a modest background, she has excelled in education and her career, I wish people wouldn't focus so much attention on her outfits and hairstyles though!

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