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Has anybody seen this about the salesmen's orgy?

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BitOfFun · 19/05/2011 23:43

Just spotted it in the In The News section, which I've had hidden for ages since all the BNP threads, but that's by-the-by...

OMFG...

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HerBeX · 23/05/2011 21:00

That's really depressign Stella Sad

StellaSays · 23/05/2011 17:37

I posted about this on facebook when it came out and most of the comments were along the disgusted lines.

ALL of my male friends who commented said it was fine/funny and that we were being uptight Angry

aliceliddell · 22/05/2011 13:42

I wish! Make my dream come true!

sakura · 22/05/2011 13:22

are you going aliceliddell?!?!?! That's brilliant.
I feel much better since logging on here again. French feminists are agitating and the wives probably all know by now. Please do report on the papers MmeLindor

aliceliddell · 22/05/2011 13:04

Cheers, Prolesworth! 2 returns on Eurostar? Any one else coming?

aliceliddell · 22/05/2011 13:01

Sakura; I think you're right. Is this another example where we need to focus on the men and how their behaviour affects other men instead of looking at distinctions between women?

Prolesworth · 22/05/2011 12:58

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aliceliddell · 22/05/2011 12:57

This discussion and the French DSK rape story must have repercussions in France & Germany. There's going to be a French feminist rally in Paris. How can we contact/support them?

Prolesworth · 22/05/2011 12:35

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swallowedAfly · 22/05/2011 10:49

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Beachcomber · 22/05/2011 10:47

Good analysis Sakura - I think you are right that there could have been no difference apart from the status one in the men's own heads.

I sort of hope so because it feels like a tiny tiny bit of subversion if the women knew that.

Not much bloody comfort though really is it.

ImeldaM · 22/05/2011 09:12

This is absolutely awful, DP mentioned it yesterday. Awful

MmeLindor. · 22/05/2011 09:02

HerBex
As far as I understand it, HMI is a subsidiary of Hamburg Manhmeimer which is a subsidiary of Ergo which is a subsidiary of Muncher Re.

Or something like that.

There is no way of boycotting them as none of us would ever buy insurance from HMI anyway - they are a small pyramid selling insurance company that even the parent company Hamburg Mannheimer sneers at.

Spoke to DH last night and he said he was not surprised. HMI is a sleazy company. He thinks that one of the guys has links to Hamburg mileu of prostitution (legal but dodgy).

As to the wives - this has been all over the German press this week. They will know if their husband was on a jolly to Hungary on that date. They will know by now. I can have a look around the German papers tomorrow.

celadon · 22/05/2011 09:01

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sakura · 22/05/2011 07:05

I read earlier on this thread someone asking what the criteria might have been for the girls with white bands, and why might they have been chosen to be reserved for the special high status men (whether they were young or vulnerable etc)

From what I have learned about men buying sex has nothing to do with the women. [So men who like sex (and women) don't visit prostitutes, because the point of being with a prostitute is the unequal power dynamic at play> Some men love playing the masochist when with a prostitute; it tickles them that they can pretend to be subordinate when the true power dynamics of the exchange are completely different.]

Well my point is that.... there might well have been nothing really distinguishing those women from the other women except those white bands. They might not have been prettier/younger etc because it is never about the women and only ever about the men. So a man can feel important and powerful just by knowing that there is a select group of women that only he has access to that the other men, the underlings, are not allowed to touch. This in itself was the turn on. Extras such as looks etc were largely irrelevant.

Iit seems to me that men's decisions and behaviour are never made in relation to women, only ever in relation to other men. A high status man would not go with a prettier women he actually "fancied" , who was wearing a yellow band (or whatever the other colour was), because the point of the women in white bands was not to be attractive but to establish the male pecking order.

sakura · 22/05/2011 06:43

Does anyone speak German? These men have got wives, I'm certain of it, that's the only way they can handle these high-powered jobs: because their wives are doing the day to day shitwork at home. Their wives need to know.

OTOH, their wives should be kept out of it. I just feel so impotent because nothing is going to happen to these awful men, the awful organizors and the misogynistic company. At the very least their wives should leave them!!

HerBeX · 21/05/2011 21:40

So who are the subsidiaries of this appalling company? So we can organise a boycott?

lisianthus · 21/05/2011 18:51

Wink sec and AyeRobot. SQ I suspect you are right- it was a privilege to see her in action. Grin

Beachcomber- NO! will look it up.

So now we know what bindi/bhindi etc is, WTH are the oafs de wotsit? Am learning lots on this thread.

Beachcomber · 21/05/2011 16:01

I like German wine and I love okra. Champagne is like poison if you have more than a couple of glasses.

'if ever there was a week to hate the patriarchy' is my favourite feminist quote of the week.

Am going to have to up the stakes on the French keyboard showing off by writing ?ufs de pâques - if you can do the squishy o/e thing and the circumflex, I'm moving back to the UK.

Have you seen the thread in here where a MNetter is being invited to a sexist corporate do involving getting one's photo taken with scantily dressed women?

MmeLindor. · 21/05/2011 15:37

Husband is German. He is from that area.

smallwhitecat · 21/05/2011 15:25

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MmeLindor. · 21/05/2011 15:22

Only on MN could a thread go like this.

If you like German wine, then look for Frankenwein - it is very good quality wine. Not easy to get in UK but worth looking. Quite dry though.

smallwhitecat · 21/05/2011 14:54

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InmaculadaConcepcion · 21/05/2011 13:31

This thread is like being in a strange parallel universe.

I keep feeling sick with revulsion and sick with laughter by turns.

Glad we sorted out the blini/bindi business.

swallowedAfly · 21/05/2011 10:13

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