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Rape sentencing etc being discussed on PMQs now

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/05/2011 12:04

Justice Secretary made some stupid remarks this morning, apparently.

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wigglesrock · 18/05/2011 12:16

Just seen him on News 24 - absolute fucking disgrace, began back pedalling, actually had the audacity to shout at Matthew for "spinning the story", sorry have a 13 week old, News 24 presenters actually feel like my friends.

I am so angry, can't type any more.

steamedtreaclesponge · 18/05/2011 12:15

Can we report that picture? Is there anyone we could actually complain about it to? I know there was that thread about misleading rape reporting relatively recently...

SardineQueen · 18/05/2011 12:13

This idea of reducing the tariff by 1/2 if the person pleads guilty early.

Does it apply for murder does anyone know? Is there a list of crimes that it doesn't apply for, crimes so serious that tariffs are not reduced? And if there are such exemptions, then why the fuck is rape not one of them?

MummyBerryJuice · 18/05/2011 12:13

ShockShockShock

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/05/2011 12:12

oh for FUCKS sake re: that picture

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SardineQueen · 18/05/2011 12:11

Right and here we go

telegraph

Can Ken Clarke survive after suggesting that some rapes are 'serious' and others are not?

By James Kirkup Politics Last updated: May 18th, 2011
1 Comment Comment on this article
This is horrible, just horrible.
Kenneth Clarke, the Justice Secretary, has been on Radio FiveLive and Sky News this morning, talking about Coalition plans to cut sentences for those who admit to rape.
If possible, let?s leave aside the policy debate here and look at Mr Clarke?s language. In both of his interviews, he was at pains to distinguish between types of rape, including ?serious rape? and other types.
In essence, Mr Clarke said that rape in the ?ordinary conversational? sense is different to what he appeared to suggest were milder forms of the crime, including ?date rape and 17 year-olds having intercourse?.
Mr Clarke said:
Serious rape, I don?t think many judges give five years for a forcible rape, frankly, the tariff is longer for that and a serious rape where there?s violence and an unwilling woman, the tariff?s much longer than that.
Victoria Darbyshire of FiveLive challenged him on that, saying: ?Rape is rape?.
Mr Clarke replied: ?No, it?s not.?
Later, on Sky News, Mr Clarke went on to draw his distinction again, using terms like ?proper rape? and even ?classic rape?.
To describe this as incendiary is probably an understatement. Mr Clarke is famously robust, but can any political career survive suggesting that some rapes are ?serious? and ? by implication ? some are not?

FUCKING FUCKING HELL AND THIS MAN IS IN CHARGE OF JUSTICE.

Prolesworth · 18/05/2011 12:10

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/05/2011 12:09

Guardian live-blogging here

Miliband mentioned Cameron being "out of touch" on anonymity

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SardineQueen · 18/05/2011 12:07

Was just going to start a thread. Am watching it.

Is all over the papers will link

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/05/2011 12:06

Oh marvellous apparently they are considering introducing a plea bargaining system which would cut rapists sentences by half.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/05/2011 12:05

Who is Kenneth Clarke, I believe. What a fucking surprise.

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