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My teenage dd and the clothes she wants to wear...help me out please

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AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 20:05

This is a kind of follow-up from the "what you wear might make men want to rape you" argument on another thread

Of course, I am a fully card-carrying member of "women should wear what they like and not have to suffer unwelcome attention" group

But here is my dilemma..

My dd is 15. She has big breasts for her frame. She likes to wear low cut, tight vest tops which I really have to bit my tongue about as her boobs are very much on display. She also wants to wear these tiny little strapless playsuit thingies that have to be worn without a bra. It looks like at any moment she is going to fall out of the one she insisted on buying (with her own, earned money from a PT job)

Do I pull my parental muscle and ban the wearing of such items bearing in mind she is living in my house, under my care. She is 15 and fairly streetwise but wouldn't cope with any serious sexual predation (of course). As part of her job, she was subjected to some unwelcome attention from an older bloke and she absolutely freaked out.

But still she wants to wear these clothes, and I know (as much as I rail against it, intellectually) that it isn't right.

I know this post is absolutely chockfull of hypocrisy and stupidity, btw, but am in a right old muddle.

What do I say to her, without

  1. knocking her confidence

  2. banning said clothes outright (we shouldn't have to do that, should we ? should we ???)

Am I taking the concept of wearing what you like and Fuck the Patriarchy too far and overthinking this ? Or by letting her wear relatively revealing clothes, am I failing in my duty as her mother ?

Now be aware these are perfectly ordinary clothes you can buy all over the high street, that thousands of other teenagers are wearing too. That is why she wants them, of course. Nothing she wears is at all overtly sexy, it's just how it looks to me, IYSWIM. I see my DH wincing sometimes too, and he is very feminist-minded. I guess he is mindreading others Shock

Help me sort this out please. < sob >

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Maryz · 18/05/2011 00:01

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GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:00

Oh Maryz that is awful

BitOfFun · 17/05/2011 23:59

One thing I've found helpful is watching "Snog, Marry, Avoid" together and chatting. I'm aware that this doesn't sound especially feminist Blush.

WhatsWrongWithYou · 17/05/2011 23:57

On a different note entirely, DD (aged 13) has been on an RE visit to a Sikh gurdwara today. They were told to wear headscarves and black trousers or woolly tights.
I said she could wear some thinnish opaque tights, but apparently they had to be thick woolly ones so that 'the pants don't show through when we're sitting on the floor.' Hmm
I did wonder what kind of man would find himself irresistibly tempted by a 13 yo girl.
I have the cleavage-showing stage to look forward to, clearly.
Although, as one blessed in that area, I have to say that I spent most of my adolescence trying to camouflage them - it has to be an advancement that young girls are no longer conscious of themselves to that degree, but I guess lines have to be drawn somewhere, somehow. It's a question of how to do so without making them feel they should be hiding themselves away.

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SpeedyGonzalez · 17/05/2011 23:56

Just skimmed through a few posts, but I'm marking my place as I know I'll be having the same worries in future years...

Was going to suggest the same as ongak. Also, though I broadly support women's right to dress as they please, I also personally subscribe to the 'less is more' approach to dressing. When anybody dresses in an overtly sexy/ sexual way, people generally react to their body, not their brains. So I would want to convey this to my DD - and would discuss this with her as well, perhaps looking through magazines, etc, at pictures of women and men and chatting through the impressions their styles of dress give.

Then, I guess, ultimately, I'd hope some of my wisdom was getting through and leave her to make her own mistakes decisions. I'd kind of hope that even if she decided to disregard my views, she'd see through experience that perhaps her old ma is not such a washed-up old hasbeen after all...

But as a postscript, if she went out dressed sexily I'd have a chat with her after the event and see how it went.

AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 23:49

we have same size feet (ish)

that is it, thankfully

but she also nicks my bags, brollies, socks, make up etc etc etc

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AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 23:47

the sympathy is nice, even after I posted my post-argument wound-up OP which makes not much sense at all actually

although I knew people would "get it" on here

am calm now

am researching dungarees on the Top Shop website Smile

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GetOrfMoiCase · 17/05/2011 23:47

DD can't wear high heels, thank god, so they are safe.

I don't think it is a fair swap, I wore her £6 Primark old-lady lace ups, she nicked my NEW new balance trainers to play cricket in the rain Hmm

BitOfFun · 17/05/2011 23:44

Mind you, I offered to lend dd1 a pair of sky-scraping platforms for a party she was going to, and she had fun trying them on and marvelling at how they transformed her into a five foot nine Amazonian who could pat me on the head. But then she handed them back and told me she didn't fancy breaking her bloody ankle Grin

GetOrfMoiCase · 17/05/2011 23:44

All this fades into the background however compared to the knowledge that dd will be applying for the bloody army when she is 17. That thought keeps me awake at noght Sad

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 17/05/2011 23:43

My advice (which may not be worth that much as I have a 6 year old DS and no DDs) is that you enrol her for some sort of self defence class. The good ones teach you how to read situations as well as how to kick a rapist in the cock.

But I also agree with the poster who said that it's not anti-feminist to be anxious about your 15-year-old not having the maturity to handle the attention she may get. Sympathies to you.

GetOrfMoiCase · 17/05/2011 23:43

Me and dd are exactly the same size, we wear each others stuff.

I know that sounds deeply sad doesn't it Blush

AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 23:38

yes of course, DYE

but this is me and I dinnae like it Smile

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Didyouever · 17/05/2011 23:37

Doesn't every generation do this to their children?

I'm sure your mothers probably said the same sort of stuff.

AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 23:35

although she nicks all my bloody shoes...

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AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 23:34

precisely, BOF

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BitOfFun · 17/05/2011 23:33

It's difficult, isn't it? So far, dd1(15) dresses quite modestly. But if I suggested what she should wear, she would smile, say "Yeah yeah" and roundly ignore.

A poster was asking for suggestions on an outfit for her 15 year old the other day, and I had to ignore the thread, because I knew it meant diddly squat what a bunch of middle-aged harridans might spend an hour googling Grin

AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 23:32

she takes after t'other side of the family Smile

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GetOrfMoiCase · 17/05/2011 23:31

She would KIIIIIIIL you.

My dd always says 'you don't talk about me on mumsnet do you?'

Grin

Asda do a nice range in large cup bras, I have noticed. DD is the same size as me, but about 4 inches north Grin

AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 23:28

bloody hell, if she knew I was talking about her like this ... Blush

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AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 23:27

that wouldn't work for us

she outboobs me by loads

she definitely needs a proper bra, with proper support

I am baulking at buying strapless ones though

she is only 15 !

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GetOrfMoiCase · 17/05/2011 23:26

Dd has stolen some of my vests with bras built in (cost about a fiver in Primark or Asda) - they give coverage without looking like a bra, and look good under jumpsuits etc.

GetOrfMoiCase · 17/05/2011 23:22

Exactly - I was making sure that I wasn't saying that she looked anything like a slag (I remember my gran calling me a slag heap when I was 14 and wore a bodysuit which was ever so slightly low cut, and saying that I was going to be sleeping with every Tom, Dick and Harry if I went out 'gallivanting' in that Hmm) but like you say, they are black and white and seem to hear what they want to hear sometimes.

I am very happy with dd's boyfriend, he is very caring and they get on well. I am also pleased that she hasn't dumped all her friends, she doesn't see him every free moment like I feared, and they go to different schools. But all over her facebook it is 'I love you so much' etc. At the moment all is well, but if they finish, it will be all romeo and juliet round here.

socka · 17/05/2011 23:22

There are some in Topshop at the moment!

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