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My teenage dd and the clothes she wants to wear...help me out please

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AnyFucker · 17/05/2011 20:05

This is a kind of follow-up from the "what you wear might make men want to rape you" argument on another thread

Of course, I am a fully card-carrying member of "women should wear what they like and not have to suffer unwelcome attention" group

But here is my dilemma..

My dd is 15. She has big breasts for her frame. She likes to wear low cut, tight vest tops which I really have to bit my tongue about as her boobs are very much on display. She also wants to wear these tiny little strapless playsuit thingies that have to be worn without a bra. It looks like at any moment she is going to fall out of the one she insisted on buying (with her own, earned money from a PT job)

Do I pull my parental muscle and ban the wearing of such items bearing in mind she is living in my house, under my care. She is 15 and fairly streetwise but wouldn't cope with any serious sexual predation (of course). As part of her job, she was subjected to some unwelcome attention from an older bloke and she absolutely freaked out.

But still she wants to wear these clothes, and I know (as much as I rail against it, intellectually) that it isn't right.

I know this post is absolutely chockfull of hypocrisy and stupidity, btw, but am in a right old muddle.

What do I say to her, without

  1. knocking her confidence

  2. banning said clothes outright (we shouldn't have to do that, should we ? should we ???)

Am I taking the concept of wearing what you like and Fuck the Patriarchy too far and overthinking this ? Or by letting her wear relatively revealing clothes, am I failing in my duty as her mother ?

Now be aware these are perfectly ordinary clothes you can buy all over the high street, that thousands of other teenagers are wearing too. That is why she wants them, of course. Nothing she wears is at all overtly sexy, it's just how it looks to me, IYSWIM. I see my DH wincing sometimes too, and he is very feminist-minded. I guess he is mindreading others Shock

Help me sort this out please. < sob >

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dittany · 18/05/2011 00:43

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GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:43

lolol am just looking at a pair of pants called Babylon Ring (with handy cock ring attached for your pleasure)

GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:41

I wondered that as well AnyF Grin

Never did I think I would see the day that Dittany posted a link to lurex willy warmers Grin

AnyFucker · 18/05/2011 00:41

the zip-up one is a nice touch

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GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:40

Boys are starting to wear low cut tops. My stepson (24) came round last week in a very deep cut v top, you could almost see his navel. Bless him.

He still does that whole arse out the back of jeans, WHY?

AnyFucker · 18/05/2011 00:40

< wonders what keywords Dittany used to google-find that site > Smile

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GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:39

Am on work laptop as well oh GOD

GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:39

What in the name of god!

lol at that link. Sexy? I don't think so. If DP wore that I would point and laugh.

AnyFucker · 18/05/2011 00:38

nope, we wouldn't abuse our power in that way, would we

boys are not sexualised

unless you count having your underpants hanging out of the back of your jeans, which you have to keep hitching up because although you like to think having the crotch round your knees is cool it is frankly just bloody uncomfortable Smile

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BitOfFun · 18/05/2011 00:38

Dittany- you're not wrong!

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GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:36

Mind you, DD's tomboy style has got her into trouble as well. At her last school she was roundly bullied for being a 'lesbian'. Real low level but constant name calling and sneering. She tried to defend herself (which I admire) by saying 'I am not a lesbian, but there is nothing wrong with being a lesbain anyway, my aunty is one' ate which point the bullying escalated. It was hideous and she moved schools in the end.

I think the lesbian namecalling etc started because she was so resolutely sporty, wasn't girly at the time.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:33

I thought dd was free and clear, as she is so sporty and ends up spending time in sports gear, and because she is involved in physical activity all the time never really got into the whole girly hair/girly clothes thing.

She is still rather tomboyish, she would never wear a skirt in a month of Sundays, but has now started to wear fitted and very low cut stuff. I just don't think she is ready for the attention, at the moment because she is a tomboy she is 'one of the lads' and I think that dynamic will change unfortunately as she changes what she wears.

I am actually rather thankful for dd's Hollister and Jack Wills addiction as although it bloody bankrupts me, it is very modest in styling (is shorts, jeans, sweats, t shirts and shirts in the main and is not high fashion)

BitOfFun · 18/05/2011 00:31

I agree that boys can be even more obsessed with their appearance (I have a 15 year old step-son too). I guess that the difference is, as you suggest, that they generally don't come in for the sort of predatory attention that teenage girls do. It's a fucker for girls.

AnyFucker · 18/05/2011 00:29

I hav a ds too, any thoughts welcome, wherever they may be written Smile

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SpeedyGonzalez · 18/05/2011 00:27

You know, this thread has got me thinking about how to raise DS to treat women respectfully no matter how they're dressed. Thoughts, anyone? Perhaps I should start a new thread so as not to detract from AnyFucker's thread, actually.

AnyFucker · 18/05/2011 00:25

It must be tough though, because almost all teenage girls want to be fashionable, and most of them probably aren't even aware that their clothes might be seen as anything else apart from that, even when the clothes themselves are overtly sexy and giving every passing ogling bloke an eyeful he doesn't deserve.

that is it

she still doesn't get that

unfortunately, I feel she will have to undergo some unpleasant experiences before she does get it Sad

I can't protect her from that completely, can I ? < strokes machete lovingly >

you are wrong about the teenage boys though Dittany, the ones I know through dd spend even more time and money on their appearance (especially hair and clothes) than the girls do Smile

why does that not seem so concerning though ?

I understand about teenagers wanting to conform, and even to want to attract the opposite sex

somehow you don't often see middle aged women feeling entitled to grope and otherwsie harass teenage boys in the street though, do you ?

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dittany · 18/05/2011 00:19

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SpeedyGonzalez · 18/05/2011 00:09

Oh, Maryz! Sad for you and your DD.

GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:05

I remember the poor girls at school who developed boobs at a young age, and the hideous attention they got.

I didn't hit puberty til I was 15, was a 6 foot rake. Then in 3 months developoed boobs and hips, it was horrible to have to learn to deal with it, and realise that men were looking at you for one thing, and having to learn how to run the gauntlet passed building sites, parked cars, groups of blokes outside pubs etc. That is a horrible lesson that every girl learns at some point.

GetOrfMoiCase · 18/05/2011 00:03

DD never wears any make up, she has never got into it (doesn't need it, with that skin and eyes Envy). Which means my precious make up bag is safe.

Not so every pair of my socks, bras, tights, underwear, hairspray, jewellery, bags, coats. Nothing is safe.

I think years of feminist ranting has rubbed off. Was watching the only was is Essex, she was saying 'why do all those women put up with such twat men?'

BitOfFun · 18/05/2011 00:02

Maryz ShockSad

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