'Man-hating feminism'

Your loss tyr.

Lots of people do

Dittany,

Sorry, I just can't take you seriously at all. At any rate, you seem to take yourself so seriously as to leave no room for anyone else to do so.

dittany Sun 12-Jun-11 17:56:13

Try this MRAtyr:

Misandry - From the Dictionary of Fools

Might help you to get your head around it.

Wonderful stuff, Millie Tant. Keep it coming. Still working up a froth to that other great source of wisdom, the "Malleus Maleficarum?"

alice yes quite right. Keep up the good work!

aliceliddell Sun 12-Jun-11 17:50:54

It was me, actually. And I don't care, because I won't choke on mere popcorn when I habitually gnaw on the dismembered body parts of any man (pah!) foolish enough to fall into the pit of sharpened bamboo dug by the lesbian man-haters collective every Saturday night after we've been down to report random men for 'raping' us. We do these things because we are feminists.

You probably eat toast with your bare hands too. Scary stuff.

"Looking at men as a group and examining their behaviour as a group is "misandrist" (posh made-up anti-feminsit word for man-hating) now is it?"

Actually, I can see how the word might seem "posh" to you.

It was me, actually. And I don't care, because I won't choke on mere popcorn when I habitually gnaw on the dismembered body parts of any man (pah!) foolish enough to fall into the pit of sharpened bamboo dug by the lesbian man-haters collective every Saturday night after we've been down to report random men for 'raping' us. We do these things because we are feminists.

Yes I know.

If someone says they are going to eat something, saying to them "Don't choke on it" is a standard threat type thing, unless the person concerned is a toddler.

It was an odd thing to say. I don;t think you actually want beachcomber to choke, I just think it was odd.

Sardinequeen,

It was in reference to this:

Loving your work, by the way.

And no, it wasn't meant to be threatening. You, on the other hand, have made me feel distinctly uneasy and fearful with your gruff voice and pointed stare.

"Don't choke on your popcorn" is like a bad threat from an eastenders style hardman. What a very peculiar thing to say.

I can do it too.

Mind how you go.

See!

SardineQueen Sun 12-Jun-11 17:11:04

Is that comment supposed to be threatening or something?

What a strange thing to say confused

Whaaaat???????

Is that comment supposed to be threatening or something?

What a strange thing to say

Using your Thatcher example which is absolutely stonking in terms of evidence of what I just said above;

Statement A - Thatcher is indeed a well know example of a female PM who behaved in ways that were oppressive. Indeed she oppressed whole groups.

Statement B - She is also the only female PM the UK has ever had.

A does not negate B and make the patriarchy magically disappear.

Do these people (Tyr, Catmilk) have no sense of irony? Do you honestly not realise that your contributions here could be the foundation of a very dated 1970's comedy sketch about men's reaction to feminism? Anyway, don't let me keep you... Loving your work, by the way.

Also most people are aware that white people participated in and supported the civil rights movement - it isn't necessary to point that out every time one refers to white supremacy.

TYr the nature of oppression means that some of the oppressed will collude with their oppressors in order to save their own skin or that of their loved-ones

Tyr are you arguing that white supremacy doesn't exist? Are you trying to argue that white people as a group have been/are oppressed by people of colour?

It is the 'as a group' thing that is important. Black individuals can oppress or dominate white individuals. That oppression is not systematised, institutionalised and woven into the fabric of society however.

Same goes for women - an individual woman can oppress or dominate individual men. We still live in a patriarchy however.

It is quite simple really - you just have to grasp the concept of the difference between individual behaviour and the patterns of individual behaviour that form group behaviour. Add in a bit of institutionalising of these behaviours and bob's your uncle - you got yourself a system of oppression.

Tyr wrote - "Equally flawed; it ignores the role played by "black people" in the slave trade, the role of "white people" in opposing and abolishing it. It suggests that racism and oppression are the sole preserve of "white people"
In fact, it ignores so much, generalises so much and presumes so much as to be fundamentally flawed."

I disagree.

Equally flawed; it ignores the role played by "black people" in the slave trade, the role of "white people" in opposing and abolishing it. It suggests that racism and oppression are the sole preserve of "white people"
In fact, it ignores so much, generalises so much and presumes so much as to be fundamentally flawed.