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'Man-hating feminism'

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MisterDarsey · 16/05/2011 10:06

There's an article about this in the Times today by Libby Purves, provoked by Lionel Shriver's portrayal of the boy in 'We need to talk about Kevin'

Just thought you'd like to know Smile

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MummyBerryJuice · 20/05/2011 10:23

'group brain cell' GrinGrinGrin

PrinceHumperdink · 20/05/2011 10:23

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Beachcomber · 20/05/2011 10:18

Although to be fair most of them do declare that they are 'anti-feminist' or 'countering feminism' on their websites so at least they aren't entirely hiding their misogyny and entitlement behind the euphemism 'male rights activist'.

(That was sarcasm for any lurking MRAs who aren't getting a turn of the group brain cell today.)

PrinceHumperdink · 20/05/2011 10:00

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celadon · 20/05/2011 09:57

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SybilBeddows · 20/05/2011 09:49

concern trolls are so obvious, aren't they? I mean why do they even bother pretending?

MummyBerryJuice · 20/05/2011 09:49

Have bought a copy. (I love Amazon)

MummyBerryJuice · 20/05/2011 09:46

Thank you. Will do.

Beachcomber · 20/05/2011 09:43

Oh and another thing about the quote from a novel by Marilyn French is that the character in it who says the famous words is presented as having become disillusioned and bitter about men (she has good reasons for feeling this way - an abusive relationship and her daughter's rape and subsequent treatment).

IIRC the character, Val, says the words to Mira, the main character. Mira feels very uncomfortable with the sentiment expressed and is upset by what her friend says as Mira has two sons. I think Mira says something like 'no they aren't not all of them' - sorry can't check my copy of the book is boxed up due to house renovation.

The scene is really interesting as it examines that whole 'scales from eyes/once you see you can't unsee' element that makes feminism difficult for women. It also highlights the destructiveness of sexual violence from a mother's point of view on her child, herself and her world-view.

But then the poster who quoted the book would know that because they claimed to have a clue understand the contexts of the copy and paste quotes.

Prolesworth · 20/05/2011 09:41

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MummyBerryJuice · 20/05/2011 09:35

Thank you. As soon as I wrote that it clicked Blush. I fully intend reading the books quoted (and all those recommended on here) but currently I find it difficult to concentrate on my DS's picture books.

While I wait for sleep to return to my life, I really appreciate being on here and learning from all of you.

PrinceHumperdink · 20/05/2011 09:27

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MummyBerryJuice · 20/05/2011 09:14

I see orsinian has not been back. Grin (wonder why he thinks the women on here could so easily be shut-up)

Thanks though for putting those quotes in context for those of us like me. I knew they were posted on here out of context (as it is an apparent feminism-bashing exercise) but appreciate not having to go and read all those works (actually first finding out where they come from as the poster did not have the courtesy to reference the vast majority of those quotes) and putting them in context myself.

Could someone please tell me what MRA is?

dittany · 20/05/2011 09:00

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Goblinchild · 20/05/2011 07:49

I'd not seen it before, I'm appreciating the way that you are putting them into context.

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Beachcomber · 20/05/2011 05:01

Ah is this bit where an MRA quotes a bunch of women out of context as proof that women are quite angry about male violence?

My favourite is the oft quoted 'all men are rapists' from Marilyn French - it is from a work of fiction. It is a phrase said by a fictional character after her student daughter has been raped and threatened with a knife in the street.

The quote is speaking about how the character and her daughter were subsequently treated by the hospital and law enforcement (i.e. not very well - this is the 1950s/60s). In particular she is referring to how her young and beautiful daughter felt being eyed up by men at the courtroom whilst she is there to go through the soul destroying experience of giving a detailed account of her rape to a roomfull of people.

The full quote is;

"all men are rapists, and that's all they are. They rape us with their eyes, their laws and their codes."

But hey why let the truth or any actual knowledge of the subject get in the way of a little feminist bashing/misogyny?

Also cutting and pasting without linking to one's source is intellectually dishonest - as is claiming to have 'read these things in context', whilst not appearing to know that one of the most famous quotes of all time in this discussion, comes from a work of fiction and is always misrepresented and quoted entirely out of context.

Didyouever · 20/05/2011 00:09

It'd mean about 27 million men and boys 'culled' in this country,so I assumed she was joking.

Goblinchild · 19/05/2011 23:58

You think she was joking?

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