'Man-hating feminism'

i dont need translasion-feminists can see what im on about-
and since this is a feministd board im doing ok-
we dont need translation for male privaledge-no matter where we come from.
try again.

I think you'll find that I thanked her (I assume you're referring to Catmilk)
Can you at least get someone to translate before you react?

oh the woman you just spoke to-sorry for youre thickness.
tyr-can we stop this now-youre dick will just become shorter and youre male privaledge less-youre on a losing battle-trust me.

Leave who alone?

i thought you fucked off tyr.
still jumping here though to look for people to stroke youre male privalege.
sad-my bollocks are bigger than youres-how do you feel[again too much above you]
whats the matter-other blokes wont stroke youre bollocks and making you feel small?
so you have to come here and find a woman who is struggling?
fuck off tyr.
leave her alone.

Thank you, Catmilk, for pointing out what ought to have occurred to some of them in the first place.
It?s easy to see how, for some, allegations against men arise so readily.

Cat-im glad you still here
dont worry about tyr[or what fuckin name he is]
he come here with with male privalege and tryed to put this forward-
we have fucked him off royally-him now run off,
i have sons also-and the likes of tyr im fighting-
stick around
sparky x

I don't know Tyr - but you asked me how interpreted that phrase, and that's genuinely how it makes sense to me. I don't really see how it works as a threat tbh.

So I think for Tyr - either s/he

(a) has some kind of Health &Safety obsession with other people's well being (is that what you thought Catmilk? s/he has issued warnings to other posters too) and is genuinely concerned for Celadon's wellbeing;

Someone here mentioned laughing at something, settling down with some popcorn... I took Tyr was sarcastically saying 'oh that is SO funny I agree! Don't choke on yr popcorn at how hilarious at is!"

Similar to 'careful your sides don't split!' said sarcatically.

"don't choke on your popcorn" can be a threat depending on the tone used and seeing as we don't know Tyr's tone, we don't know if that is the tone.

In New Orleans, walked into a shop with my black friend and bloke behind counter said "don't fall over" to my friend. That was definitely a not so veiled threat because of the menacing tone used. He also said "Be careful out there" in the same tone as we quickly exited. He might as well have said No Blacks in my shop.

So I think for Tyr - either s/he

(a) has some kind of Health &Safety obsession with other people's well being (is that what you thought Catmilk? s/he has issued warnings to other posters too) and is genuinely concerned for Celadon's wellbeing; or
(b) the sarcastic subtext to 'Dont choke on your popcorn" is actually "Hope you choke on your popcorn" in which case it is a threat.

Tyr - do you work in Health & Safety?

Marvellous. So happy you deigned to reply Catmilk and have postponed your flounce forthwith. Look forward to it!

ps. If you want to do surveys, best to use surveymonkey. Quantitative research is not what MN is geared up for. People tend to veer drastically off topic as you have discovered. You could always do a survey on surveymonkey (free) and then post a link to it if you genuinely wanted to do quant stuff.

HellAtWork, seeing as it matter a lot to you I will respond to your post at some point, ok? Bit busy today.xxx

Oh and celadon 'Don't choke on your popcorn' isn't a threat either.

Oh Catmilk - please don't go

"I've got boys, I've got a man, I've got good, GOOD male relatives..."

That's exactly why I said I had changed from being a man-disparaging sometime feminist when it suited me to being a full-time feminist. I did respond to you fully on your thread (not sure how that can be construed as vindictive?) but you don't seem to want to respond.

slug, reading your post and nodding all the way - so true! And Tyr seems to think it's actually unfair of us to suggest he might present an argument instead of picking on grammar/spelling, too - it's a classic teenage whiny 'oooh, but Miss, she's WRONG, isn't she, she's wrong too so that makes me right!'

Gosh, and there was I just commenting on the level of the argument.

What I meant was the arguments from Tyr, and to a lesser extent catsmilk have the tenor of teenager whining. I used to see it often when teaching. The tactic (almost always from boys) was to repeat anything said by a girl in a whiney, high pitched voice, followed by a devestating comeback, often in the form of the phrase "Duhh, you're stupid".

It struck me that there wasn't a lot of meat in the arguments if you see what I mean, there was no real attempt to discuss or extrapolate on a point. It was simply 'repeat and sneer' which, quite frankly, I find juvenile.

As an aside I used to work with an NPD who would make wildly incoherent statements then, when challenged, state "I made myself perfectly clear" then flounce off.

Catsmilk do you really honestly believe that you are a feminist?

Because if you do, why have you come out with the tired old sexist refrain of feminsts not being able to keep a man - as if that's what all women should be doing - and lying about what I said on antoher thread?

I really don't wnat ou to go away telling yourself that you are a good feminist and we're all just a bunch of man-haters. Because that it is too comforting for you and also just factually wrong.

You are either deliberately pretending not to understand what I was saying on the other thread, or you need to practice your critical thinking skills and organise your thought processes better. If I amb eing charitable, I suppose I can attribute your characterisation of my posts as being down to a kneejerk discomfort to having facts about male violence against women being brought uout in the open, but you cannot be so uncomfortable about that and have the luxury of calling yourself a feminist and characterising other feminists as man-haters. That's exactly why we have feminism-lite today, which is exactly the sort of feminism mysogynsist love - it pretends that we're all equal now, there are no problems and women should just STFU and do a lap dance every now and then if they fancy a bit of power. You're lining up with that brand of feminism, which isn't feminism at all.

I've got boys, I've got a man, I've got good, GOOD male relatives...

Well, ditto. But I don't see how we can recognise and promote the good without recognising and deploring the bad. That is what a lot of feminists seek to do. I don't want my good male relatives lumped in indiscriminately with all men as intrinsically violent and evil, but I don't think anyone on MN feminism boards does that.

I think posters generally concentrate on attacking problematic male behaviours and attitudes, not men per se. A lot of this naturally involves talking about cultural attitudes and society as a whole, but that is not the same as ascribing terrible attributes to all men.

Some people seem to have difficulty with that distinction. Others simply ignore it because they are intent on undermining all feminism.

'vindictive derailment of my AIBU thread.'

I don't think ANYONE on here would be able to start a thread telling people to only post once each and not get it derailed, not even the so-called Mumsnet royalty.

it is the sort of thing that gets people's backs up. Nothing personal. I suspect that you are, in fact, more pissed off about the fact that no-one agreed with you on it.