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IMF head Strauss-Khan charged with sexual assault, attempted rape and imprisonment of hotel maid in New York

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darleneoconnor · 15/05/2011 10:24

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13402845

Can these sroties ever be reported without a discussion of whether the woman is lying or provoked the man?

It's like Julian Assange all over again.

There was a french man being interviewed about it on News 24 and you could sense a different attitude between him and the British newsreader, Nicholas Owen. The french man was emphasising how bad a crime it was, whereas the newsreader seemed to be fishing for some 'rape myths'.

We'll see how this one pans out.

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winnybella · 16/05/2011 17:35

No bail. Wow.

Yes, I live in France as well and I haven't heard anyone say that it was a conspiracy yet Hmm

Prolesworth · 16/05/2011 17:33

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Beachcomber · 16/05/2011 17:09

I also live in France and everybody I know has been making 'well, surprise, surprise' type comments or 'maybe he'll finally get his comeuppance'.

Strauss-Kahn has a reputation for his sexual predation in France. Journalists carefully put it across without actually saying it clearly IYSWIM (although some female journalists have been pretty direct).

I haven't heard anybody spout Sarkozy/Presidential conspiracy theories Hmm.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 16/05/2011 16:56

What were the other people there saying in response? (My french is pretty crap but I could work out most of what she said, not the men as they were mumbling).

VERY weird to hear an account of a sexual assault alternated with pictures of pleasant dinner party things.

ChristinedePizan · 16/05/2011 16:45

Yes, it's appalling. And the degree of pre-meditation (asking her to a completely empty apartment to interview him, rather than his office or his home) is absolutely chilling. He's a fucking monster

camaleon · 16/05/2011 16:38

It is shocking to watch really.... Everybody is smiling and normalizing it in the video. Imagine if, instead of describing in detail an attempt of rape, she was describing any other crime (e.g. stealing money). Nobody would nod their heads and say....well, we all know he has a problem with money. French, in particular, socialist French should be very happy to get rid of this guy instead of moaning about conspiracy theories and keeping Sarkozy for longer (and I have seen quite a few doing this in the last 24 hours)

ChristinedePizan · 16/05/2011 16:32

It's really weird the way she's smiling as she describes her assault :(

Straight2Extremes · 16/05/2011 16:25

They are probably like normal people in that respect, people cheat doesn't really matter about their position in society.

Although the sense of entitlement might be what went on with Strauss-Kahn, I have read that he had a bad reputation with women.

MooncupGoddess · 16/05/2011 16:22

Maybe the risk is part of the thrill?

Or perhaps they are just so used to getting what they want sexually with no repercussions that they assume it will always be like that.

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EldritchCleavage · 16/05/2011 16:05

Ooh, yes please aliceliddell, I'm saving up for a Situaton Room from which to acheive World Domination and the extra cash would come in handy.

I won't work in Sharia law countries, though, as I don't fancy being stoned for adultery.

MooncupGoddess · 16/05/2011 15:21

Quote from TeiTetua's link:

'Like all great political animals, he has trouble controlling himself.'

Fascinating metaphorical language (the BBC story also describes DSK as a 'big beast', not a term ever used of female politicians). The implication is that the leader of the pride naturally takes any lioness he likes the look of.

It is of course a totally ridiculous argument, especially given that being a master politician requires an extraordinary level of self-control in the political arena.

TeiTetua · 16/05/2011 15:07

There was a book last year that talked about Dominique Strauss-Kahn and his attitude toward women: "However, the author claims the IMF affair [his affair with an IMF employee a few years ago] may only be the tip of the iceberg, quoting French actress Danielle Evenou as saying: "Who hasn't been cornered by Dominique Strauss-Kahn?" She tells of another female Socialist MP who claims she makes sure she is never alone in a room with him."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7701145/Dominique-Strauss-Khan-in-sex-book-claims.html

You'd think that a Great Man would be careful to act in a way worthy of his magnificence. But no.

If he'd taken that Air France flight home, he was planning to meet Angela Merkel on Sunday. Maybe she had a narrow escape.

aliceliddell · 16/05/2011 14:56

Eldritch 11.03 - Yes, the list of feminist conspiracy rape criers exists. It is now open to new applicants. Would you like me to put your name down? It's good m[oney, especially considering that's what we do every Saturday night anyway.Wink

camaleon · 16/05/2011 14:56

Have already tried... It is so shocking to see this 'every body' knows... And how she also explains at the end that she did not press charges because she did not want to be remembered as the 'woman' who had problems with a politician. The interview, the way she also normalizes the terrible situation is so telling about how these guys manage to keep escaping any punishment

MooncupGoddess · 16/05/2011 14:55

Sorry, cross-post! But eeek. I am appalled.

(Good thing she wasn't wearing a low-cut top, eh? The sight of a nice pair of mammary glands is often too much for a red-blooded male to bear.)

MooncupGoddess · 16/05/2011 14:52

Hi camaleon,

My French is rather ropey - any chance you could mention a couple of the key points?

Some of the sadder posts on the Relationships board give insights into the 'grey' areas between sexual persuasion, coercion and outright violence.... and the ease with which some perpetrators can move along the spectrum of sexually abusive behaviour.

camaleon · 16/05/2011 14:52

It is the interview in which Tristane Banon described how DSK tried to rape her in a TV programme in 2007. His name bleeped out, and there is a full table of men nodding their heads and acknowledging that 'everybody knows' about his behavior. It is sad to see too that she explains that she was dressing conservatively, thus not in a 'provoking' way I guess

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 16/05/2011 14:47

What's the gist, camaleon?

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