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Step away from the Space Lego

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ExpectoPatronum · 10/05/2011 13:11

This is my first time on the Feminism board - I've only just found you!

This morning, DD (7) was playing with the Space Lego - lunar landscapes, spaceships, various astronauts and rocket launchers.

DS2 (5) appeared on the scene:

"No, no, sorry DD, please move away from the Space Lego, you'll only break it. Sorry, but this is a boy's toy, it's not for girls. Girls don't know about space, you'll just break it and not know how to fix it"

Shock Angry Shock Angry

I'm pleased to report that DD fought her corner. And of course, I told him that we didn't gender code toys, that she was allowed to play with it just as much as he was, that she was just as capable of rebuilding it. And I told him about women astronauts and physicists. And I pointed out that given that his sister is particularly good at numeracy and science, there was no reason why she couldn't be an astro-physicist, should she wish.

But where the hell does this attitude come from?

DH is not like this at all, and DS2 sees him cook, and clean, and iron. His grandfather is the most egalitarian left-wing 66 year old you could ever meet. How have we ended up with a chauvinist 5 year old?

Suggestions, please, of things I can do to educate him, and also things I can do to ensure DD stays confident, and strong and ambitious.

(off now to tape pictures of Pamela A. Melroy to the fridge)

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belgo · 12/05/2011 19:14

Duplo is fab. You will see the differenceSmile

WobblyWidgetOnTheScooper · 12/05/2011 19:12

Aww no my DCs like the megabloks, moving on to duplo soon though (DS not big enough for Lego yet)

belgo · 12/05/2011 18:09

Shock pink megablocks! Megablocks are crap enough even in non pink colours.

Stick to Lego.

WobblyWidgetOnTheScooper · 12/05/2011 17:53

My DD was given a box of pink princess megabloks, so I bought a big bag of primary colour ones to water it down a bit!

Beachcomber · 12/05/2011 08:30

Shock at the female Lego figures belgo linked to.

IAmRubyLennox · 12/05/2011 08:26

Wobbly, I think it's not so much that people gender code the bricks, per se, more the construction skills required to play with them: logic, spatial awareness and so on. And when a construction toy is ever marketed at girls, the standard product has to be re-packaged in pink and lilac, just in case the effort required to put one primary coloured block on top of another makes their pretty little heads explode.

DD, who is a budding Dr Alice Roberts and can do lightning fast maths in her head, nevertheless had pink'n'lilac Magnext bought for her by a wellwisher.

(Although, when DS1 was 2 and channelling Ariel the Little Mermaid, my DM did buy him the full pink and turquoise irridescent MegaBloks set, and mighty pleased with it he was too).

WobblyWidgetOnTheScooper · 12/05/2011 06:59

I'm really surprised that Lego is often seen as a boys toy. It's just bricks FFS. I can (very relucantly!) understand that people see things like princesses and soldiers along gender lines, but bricks?!?

Very sad :(

My DD loves Lego and all that stuff. She likes Thomas too, and come to think of it I've never seen a girl in the fan section of the magazine.

Bumperlicioso · 12/05/2011 06:48

I was on a similar thread the other day which I started over a boy's surgeon outfit that I bought in sainsbo's. I was saying that in general dd1 (3) will play with anything but when we are in the shops or flicking through catalogues she is very much of the 'these are boy's toys and these are girl's toys' mentality. I also said (which I thought was rather profound even if I do say so myself Grin) that it is difficult to break them out of that mentality because on the one hand we are teaching them to follow rules of polite society (don't hit, do as authority tells you) but then we try and get then to break the rules of gender imposed by shops society.

Ormirian · 12/05/2011 05:26

Ds2 is now the proud owner of a Lego Amy pond.

Although you'd struggle to recognise her....

Ormirian · 12/05/2011 05:23

They seem to learn it by osmosis from other boys. And so do girls.

With plenty of encouragement at home they get over it.

FromGirders · 12/05/2011 01:30

I see I may have to make a run of t-shirts . . .

Watch this space.

Dunoon · 11/05/2011 14:11

I love Sylvanians and luckily the three DDs don't seem to follow the somewhat outdated roles assigned to the figures.

Their Bratz now..................

ExpectoPatronum · 11/05/2011 14:06

I don't not-buy Sylvanians because they're sexist, though.

I don't buy them because they're overpriced, poor quality rubbish. Grin

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belgo · 11/05/2011 14:04

and of course all the nurses are female and doctors male here

belgo · 11/05/2011 14:02

Dunoon - I would like to addDinner Lady and Lollipop man.

Dunoon · 11/05/2011 13:51

Can I just add sylvanians mother at home
and
father at home
I know sylvanians aren't exactly set in the present but I was rather annoyed when I saw these.

Firkytoodle · 11/05/2011 13:36

Is anyone here a member of the Lego club-they send out regular free magazines? They have a page where they show models children have made and usually all the children are boys-perhaps one token girl each issue. DD gets enraged by this as she has an enormous amount of lego and she is currently working on a big Lego project to submit to the magazine. Lego is definitely seen as a boys toy in her class, very few girls seem to own anything more than the pink stuff Angry.

DD has a princess dress I made her for a special school dress up day- they had to go as 'royals' but DD was told she couldn't be a king (by a TA-yes I did have words about that). It was a blue and purple medieval style dress and DD insisted that she had a sword belt sewn onto the side. She was the only girl who had a sword Sad. I'll add a picture onto my profile-she had a foam sword fight in the playground which she won Grin

TeamLemon · 11/05/2011 12:18

We have the lego geisha!

Leia. With a gun!

HopeForTheBest · 11/05/2011 12:13

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MoChan · 11/05/2011 10:06

My DD had NO idea that she wasn't supposed to play with cars, trains, castles, space lego, etc, or wear plain non-pink clothes before she started pre-school. Now she sometimes comes out with statements like "that's a boy's xxx", "girls do xxx", and has occasionally asked for things clearly because she wants to be like the other girls. Ultimately you can't stop the rest of society bringing up your children with attitudes you don't espouse, which is why I get enraged at people who think they don't need to be an activist as long as they bring their kids up they way they want to...

The UNTHINKINGNESS enrages me.

Even after a year of pre-school, however, DD still likes playing with her 'boy' toys as much as her 'girl' toys. I hope she doesn't get too anti-boy as she gets older, but I'm not sure how to avoid it, when such conscious moves seem to be made, in society in general, as well as in school, to polarise the sexes.

TimeWasting · 10/05/2011 20:19

Me and my sister were mad for Lego.
DS likes his Duplo, but not as much as his toy kitchen.

Can I put in a request for a Leia t-shirt too?

HopeForTheBest · 10/05/2011 19:33

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HuckingFell · 10/05/2011 19:02

I want a Leia t shirt. with a pic of Leia holding a blaster.

My girls went to a Jousting day out at a castle. In princess dresses with breastplates and swords. Grin

TrillianAstra · 10/05/2011 18:52

Leia's a princess. With a gun.

You'll get told off for celebrating violence soon enough, but I think that's fantastic! :o