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Feminist analysis of the royal wedding

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DontdoitKatie · 29/04/2011 11:08

This is one of the times when you realise how very lonely seeing things through a feminist lens can make you.

Patriarchy in all its glory.

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GitAwfMayLend · 29/04/2011 15:26

Apropos of not very much, but Gloucester cathedral choir has girls. Not adult women in the male choir but would imagine that would have something to do with musical range.

MillyR · 29/04/2011 15:25

We know from genetic evidence that genetic monogamy is very rare in humans and has never been the most common form of mating in hominid species. We know from social anthropology that social and sexual monogamy is uncommon.

LeninGrad · 29/04/2011 15:24

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SybilBeddows · 29/04/2011 15:21

the Queen Mother got her heel stuck in a grating in St Paul's Cathedral at one of the rehearsals for Charles and Diana's wedding (school trip there shortly after and they told us).

TimeWasting · 29/04/2011 15:15

I can imagine serial monogamy being quite 'normal', fall in love, fall out of love, move on.
Can't imagine non-monogamy, but then I'm a terrible old romantic.

TeiTetua · 29/04/2011 15:14

Topics being offered by Mumsnet:

Wedding chat - wave the virtual bunting!
Kate's dress - a hit with you?
RW commentary bingo - you playing?
Hats and that - RW fashion verdicts?

Nothing that looks like a feminist analysis, eh.

Straight2Extremes · 29/04/2011 15:10

But there is no evidence for that Lenin, the only group that has been known to not know the origins of children were Aboriginals and that was probably down to their culture. If other animals can know where their offspring are coming from pretty sure most people would have known too.

I just think that people would live more communally, they would take an interest in others children but first and foremost would be their own. There are plenty of nature programmes showing groups of people that have had virtually no contact with the outside world and live very similar to how we would have a long time ago and they are still have paired relationships.

KatieMiddleton · 29/04/2011 15:09

Yes that is true meditrina but surely the point is why this is the case and why various broadcasting decisions have been made.

meditrina · 29/04/2011 15:06

The elements of the wedding that are problematic aren't exclusive to the Royal Wedding (where they used the ordinary CofE service) - like the giving away (I'm not so much bothered by the walking down the aisle, but the actuall passing of her hand during the ceremony - which is the passing over of a piece of property). Also, the all-male choir isn't exclusive to the wedding, nor is the lack of female bishops. And the question of which sex does which part of the commentary is a broadcasters one, not that of the participants.

But I agree that the world-wide focus on is event does throw all these wider issues into a sharper light.

StewieGriffinsMom · 29/04/2011 15:01

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Pixielovescake · 29/04/2011 14:54

I aree with you all about the wedding. It was very nice , with two people who are in love and i dont want to be cynical either but..

Im wondering if she knows what she is letting herself in for ? I mean how could she not ? Shes going to be watched every waking second , for pregnancy , bad dress , weight gain , aging, everything really and William will more or less left to it by the press. Do you think she hopes it will be different for her ? Or maybe she doesnt mind/care ? Or does she want to be with him so much it doesnt matter ?
If she cant produce a baby what then ? And im assuming shes already been checked out for possible fertility issues as Diana was before she married Charles.

MillyR · 29/04/2011 14:50

Surely the whole thing is on the way out? Most children don't spend their whole childhoods being brought up by a married couple. The average age for a first marriage is 30, and a lot of them get divorced. So I don't think the whole idea that a couple meet, marry at 20, have kids, and stay together for their whole lives really happens much anymore.

KatieMiddleton · 29/04/2011 14:49

Wasn't it a full time job running a house in Austen times? As wife you had to manage the servants.

Doubt Kate will be doing much work of that nature tbh.

TimeWasting · 29/04/2011 14:46

Yes, the desire to catch a husband was pragmatic for them, the romantic notion would be to have a career. Confused

KatieMiddleton · 29/04/2011 14:45

I don't mind the women in high heels - pregnant or not. It can be hard sometimes when you feel a bit heavy and bloated and heels can give you a little boost and sense of occasion. I do worry for them on the 6" though and the cobbles. But I would regardless of whether they were pregnant or not.

I saw a man wearing tartan trousers and thought it a bit strange. Why not wear a kilt? He looked a bit like something out of Chumawumba on the bottom, morning suit on top.

GitAwfMayLend · 29/04/2011 14:44

"That's why it always annoys me when people dismiss the likes of Jane Austen as only being about women finding husbands. For women in those days it was crucial to find the right man - their lives could literally depend on it, given how much power he was going to have over them.

This is very prevalent in pride and prej, where the house was entailed away. Despite being a ghastly character Mrs Bennett wanted her daughters married as soon as possible as on their father's death they could be rightly turfed out of the house (as indeed happened with the Dashwoods).

PrinceHumperdink · 29/04/2011 14:41

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dittany · 29/04/2011 14:41

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BertieBotts · 29/04/2011 14:41

All the pregnant guests seem to be in high heels. It's depressing because surely they are uncomfortable, it's also more risky during pregnancy as it puts strain on the hips (more uncomfortable and puts you at higher risk of SPD) and increased risk of falls and yet they are evidently feeling the social pressure to wear heels.

TimeWasting · 29/04/2011 14:40

Nottheone, what are you basing that on?

TimeWasting · 29/04/2011 14:38

I enjoyed Heinlein (sci-fi) novels as a teen, daren't re-read them now, but I liked how the characters just added new surnames on as they joined new families, not double-barreled, just extra names. I considered that but couldn't be arsed to do deed poll.

KatieMiddleton · 29/04/2011 14:38

Actually I could have just said "feminists" rather than men/women with common sense as of course men can be feminists too. So yes, I would like more women to see through the guff and identify as feminists... but I'd like men to too.

dittany · 29/04/2011 14:37

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