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Disney Princesses - Can someone help me get my argument straight please?

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dirgeinvegas · 20/04/2011 10:30

I read a fantastic blog last year about how Disney princesses portrayed women very negatively- Disney princesses are very sexual, spend their lives waiting to be rescued by a man, beauty valued over anything else etc.

It made me evaluate how I want to bring up DD and the kinds of toys and clothes we buy for DD (2.3) and whilst I don't go as far as to reject princessy/"girly" gifts from family, if they ask I encourage them to buy her something else.

So, yesterday, my mother asked me if I planned to stop co-sleeping with DD. I said we'd considered it but she doesn't have her own bed at the moment so we'll probably do something over the summer before DC2 arrives. She said she'd seen a beautiful princess bed and she wanted to buy it for DD.

I said I'd prefer her not to have a princess bed and tried to explain my reasons but it sounded a bit weak to be honest. It made much more sense when I read the article. My mum just sighed said "yes, but she's a girly girl and she if she'd like the bed then surely that means its her choice". I struggled to argue with that one (except the "girly girl" bit). I pointed out that she also likes Thomas the Tank Engine and so might like a bed like that but she said that's a boys bed and asked why I can't just let DD be a girl. I said I am letting her be a girl just not by my mothers definition of what it is to be a girl.

So basically all my waffle is asking for some help in explaining to my mum why I don't want DD to have a princess bed. Interestingly, it's princess bed or buy a bed ourselves and my step-dad may just buy it for her anyway which would infuriate me.

I want my parents to understand, even if they don't agree. Princess is just the latest battle. I'm still working on "good girls don't do X" or their obsession with trying to get my energetic, climbing, running 2 year old to wear pink dresses (have you tried climbing a slide in a dress?).

I also can't find the blog anymore but am still searching...

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Chrysanthemum5 · 20/04/2011 10:59

My FIL is a very loving grandparent but he has made comments before when DS was little and had a toy pushchair etc. I found the best approach was to be upfront about what you/your partner as a parents want for your child. And if you don't want an excess of princess/pink/whatever then just say you want them to respect your choice. Be polite, but firm and they will get the message.

But also don't go overboard with it - grandparents do like to think they have a special bond with the grandchildren so let your mum buy a princess duvet cover - you can always replace it with a plain one.

dirgeinvegas · 20/04/2011 10:54

I have found the blog! It's only taken a day....

Princesses: Powerlessness, Porn & Patriarchy

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dirgeinvegas · 20/04/2011 10:51

That's interesting Chrysanthemum I did say to my mum that DD is Peppa pig obsessed but she said "she'll grow out of that soon though".

Maybe we'll just stick with co-sleeping Smile

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Chrysanthemum5 · 20/04/2011 10:47

My argument would be that she'll quickly grow out of any character bed so you just want a plain one. However, I think your point is more about wanting your parents to respect your views and that's probably a longer term battle you will have again and again.

When DS was at nursery the staff banned the children playing with guns, being power rangers etc. I spoke to them and said that was fine as long as they stopped the little girls pretending to be princesses because that was damaging to their self-esteem. I didn't get far to be honest!

DD has a few princess things, I don't ban them but I don't seek them out. Just like I don't ban DS from playing with any of his toys, but some I don't like.

dirgeinvegas · 20/04/2011 10:45

Princesses are fairly passive, yes, and what kind of a role model is that for our children? (that's not directly aimed at you Bram)

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dirgeinvegas · 20/04/2011 10:42

Thanks Bram I think if she really wanted something princessy then we'd find a way around it but she's 2. She's never seen a Disney film about princesses, her attention span is just too short for that. It's my mum who has decided that DD would like a princess bed.

I don't even have anything against pink in that it's just one of the colours that DD could wear but her grandparents on both sides seem to think if she isn't wearing mostly pink then I'm being mean by not letting her be a girl.

DD does like to "mother" her dolls but she also likes to drive her car around the garden. Her "boy" traits are overlooked and they play up the "girl" traits.

Still searching for the blog and reading Alice's link.

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Bramshott · 20/04/2011 10:36

Disney princesses (except Mulan) don't really DO anything do they? They just hang around waiting to be rescued by their handsome prince, whereupon they live happily ever after Hmm.

Mind you, my DDs have a few princess-y things - dressing up clothes, jigsaws etc - I don't ban them, just try to make subversive comments Wink!

dirgeinvegas · 20/04/2011 10:34

Thanks Alice I haven't seen that before. Just having a read now.

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AliceWorld · 20/04/2011 10:33

would this help?

dirgeinvegas · 20/04/2011 10:30

Crikey, sorry, what a long intro to basically ask "Help me to explain why I don't like Disney Princesses".

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