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Boycotting countries were women do not have equality in law

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upsydaisysexstylist · 12/03/2011 08:35

Why don't we?. Why was there no stigma attached to holidaying in Eygpt, am channelling my DP's father here who wouldn't visit Spain until Franco died. Please note I am not equating racism and sexism, but am old enough to remember aparthied in South Africa and the many boycotts of South African goods. It was unacceptable to support that regime then, why is there no similar outcry about dealing with countries where women are not equal before the law.

I know there is very little awareness of which countries require that women have legal guardians and I have no idea how you avoid buying oil and it's many products from specific countries. But again the but i am deeply deeply disturbed and angry that this is tolerated and tacitly condoned. I honestly don't know what the answer is and am hoping someone somewhere is already doing something that I just don't know about it.

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GotArt · 13/03/2011 05:29

Not that being 16 or older makes it OK to gang rape either... Sorry, just saw how bad that looks what. The key to this story as well is class as it is a poor community because it is thought that if it was wealthy or middle class woman raped by 18 predominately poor black men, it would be handled completely different.

GotArt · 13/03/2011 05:25

The thing about the US is that The South is pretty nasty but the north is, um, OK... well, better anyhow. It wasn't so much the TNYer saying it as the writer taking quotes from the locals, not that that makes it any better really because the writer is indirectly using gossip to spread victim hatred. The writer made a terrible comment about the young men having to live with the rest of their lives to, which, yes, they do, and hopefully the fuckers will have learned something. Its disturbs me that 18 men between 15 and 27 raped her, filmed it and not one thought to say that perhaps it wasn't such a good idea, all claiming they thought she was older... come on, 11 doesn't look 16, ever! The poor girl has been removed from her family because of death threats.

Sorry to digress so much away from the original post, but yes, why don't we boycott through consumerism and touristing more on these sorts of countries? Is it because really, we don't care, we just want to go somewhere historical/foreign/warm?

ninedragons · 13/03/2011 05:04

Because their main export is, broadly speaking, oil.

Which is too difficult to boycott - it's not like choosing Creme Eggs over Kit Kats.

sakura · 13/03/2011 04:53

Well you'd have to start with the U.S.
Just look at the recent thread about an 11 year old girl in Cleveland being raped by 18 men and the New York Times reported that she'd been asking for it and it was her mothers fault for letting her go to the park or something. the community has rallied round the rapists.

The reason the U.S is bezzie buddies with Saudi, despite Saudi having the most disgusting patriarchal regime in the world, is because women don't count. All that counts is money. In this patriarchal world the patriarchs who run it, including those from Britain, will sell out women for a quick quid, and that's what they do every single day.

I like David's idea of visiting female-friendly countries

TeiTetua · 13/03/2011 04:43

I think Iceland, where the economy collapsed, isn't as expensive as it was. And in the aftermath of the collapse, they appointed a female Prime Minister, a lesbian even (Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir). Need one say, the Prime Minister doesn't approve of strip clubs. So multiple bonus points there?

nailak · 13/03/2011 00:01

i find this a bit weird? i think you would have to first do research and see if the majority of women, not the most vocal or just the most educated, or those able to speak english, but the majority ow women across social backgrounds in that country dont want to have a legal male guardian, or if they prefer to actually have the security of a male guardian due to cultural and religious differences.

its a bit patronising to those women that you feel angry about it. it is a bit like people who feel angry that women wear niqaab or hijab and feel like its an opression on the women and making them inequal whereas the women who actually wear it, the majority opt to wear it and want to wear it....

HerBeX · 12/03/2011 23:56

REally expensive though... Grin

Vicious dictatorships are so much cheaper.

David51 · 12/03/2011 23:19

Why not take a more positive view - seek out those countries where women do get a good deal. Check out Cuba while it's still socialist, go to Iceland where they've closed down the strip clubs, or Sweden where they are tackling demand for prostitution.

They are all great holiday destinations!

PepsiPopcorn · 12/03/2011 22:55

Buying fair trade can help women in some countries too.

HerBeX · 12/03/2011 22:40

"Please note I am not equating racism and sexism"

Why not? What's the moral difference?

TBH I think that when it comes to holiays, people's ethical stance goes out the window. I'd never go to somewhere like Egypt, Bali, etc, because they are vicious dictatorships, but when you mention that, you are looked at like you are a big loon.

AliceWorld · 12/03/2011 21:10

It's a moo point for me, as I won't be going anywhere far away for a long time. But speaking hypothetically, how would you decide where to go and where not to? There aren't any countries which have equality.

But I am speaking as someone who is very picky about where things come from and will boycott places if I'm not happy. So I do get it.

darleneconnor · 12/03/2011 21:04

I also try to buy things made in the eu so i know workers have good employme-t rights.

darleneconnor · 12/03/2011 21:02

I would never go on holiday to dubai for this reason.

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