Is the increase in anti-feminist trolls normal in the general cycle of this topic?

On phone, so can't do full reply.

forkful thanks for the hello. I would add a smiley but no doubt it will be labeled passive agressive.

dittany , wow, that is a rather impressive barrage of abuse against someoen who hasny been around since 11pm last night. Anyway, thank you for proviing my point about the treatment of newbies! Luckily you have been so utterly vile I am now completely unbothered by you, your opions or your knowledge. All of which i once respected.

i have no intention of starting another thraed, i was to scared before and now i actually dont see the point. kind of what i was saying might happen to hounded newbies in the first place really.

(the new one, where Toddlerwrangler asks us all her special questions, I mean)

I won't be racing to get involved with that thread, however...

"I already noted that TW managed to make this thread all about her." - Bloody hell no wonder newbies are scared to post here.

Threads evolve/meander etc.

I do find the concern trolls more annoying because they come on in the guise of wanting to debate and discuss. There was one who would make my blood pressure rise whenever I saw his name on a thread last year because I knew he didn't give a toss and was extremely arrogant, yet came across as oh so interested and wanting to to debate and discuss because that's what he enjoyed.

I wasted so much time on him. Then I discovered Mumsnet's magic 'ignore button'.

They mean it in the sense that they want to shut down feminist discussion. I think it's often for lulz.

That's true, dittany, of course. I should have said that they take an anti-feminst stance and then don't answer questions (or even ask them) and get the debate going. It's just a game to most of them, or an exercise to try and take us down a peg or two. Derailing for sport. Dull but distracting.

"Is it 'official' that choice feminism isn't actually feminist?"

I have understood that there is no one definition of feminism....

Try searching under "choiceless choice" in this topic for some good thread on this.

I hugely recommend The Equality Illusion. There would have been no way I could have accessed this board without reading that book (and a few others).

Dittany you said Then again she supports the sex industry and men's right to buy and sell women".

I would think that someone looking at this board and asking questions who is not a new poster to MN is someone who may well change their mind/and or is looking to explore the possibility of changing their mind.

You have stated before that you have not always been anti-porn? Therefore at that point in time you supported the sex industry?

Trolls never answer key questions, they'll only answer easy or peripheral ones. That's the biggest sign, I think. Oh, and that they don't actually have anything to add bar mocking, stereotype and, eventually, insults.

dittany - ToddlerWrangler is not a concern troll!

I recognise her from BF/FF section. Nice to see you here Toddler.

Toddler and other lurkers etc - there are some very obvious trolls who come from other boards on wind up missions etc - plus see Jess's description of a concern troll above.

I think the easy accessability of this section to people not identifying as "feminist" is a strength and a weakness.

Different threads play out in different ways.

As a relatively new feminist and someone who likes "teaching" and loves linking I enjoy helping others find there way into feminism.

Others don't enjoy this - and I absolutely do not make a criticism of them in this - because there are multiple functions to this board and we have evidence that people change their minds through viewing this topic!

You may be interested to know that I have previously clashed a little with Dittany - but what I always try to bear in mind is - Keep An Open Mind.

IMO a little bit of feminist research unlocks the door to a whole heap of understanding about how our society works - media/relationships/politics etc.

If key feminist messages seem "out there" to you - then it is because they are against prevailing culture/wisdom.

I feel that my view of the world is so different from how it was pre-feminist. It's like I have these special glasses that allow me to question.

^^

Thanks Aye, I do apprecaite that paticular one! The 3 and a half million hit were VERY conflicting so didnt quite know where to start!

I shall leve you alone - enjo your wine!

Your starting to sound a litle boaring, which is something I diddn't expect from you to be honest. Stop trying to rally your troops and ruin a civil conversation.

Still lots of choices feminists. Plenty of other feminists believe (with well thought out reasoning ) they are talking baloney.

Here's another link on choice feminism www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/1163546-As-promised-my-review-of-A-Noughtie-Girls-Guide-to-Feminism Make sure you read the link I put in from the Guardian, it's brilliant.

You are lucky that I am being very lazy and lying on my sofa with a glass of wine, tw, and providing these links.

Ok, ok, I know what I said, butttttt ... can I please ask one little question, as I googled this and got 3,500,000 answers .

Is it 'official' that choice feminism isn't actually feminist? I know that probably sounds a relly stupid question but I can't think of a better way to word it. Are there people who have spent a lot of time being active feminists who remain pro choice, or is it the general consencus that after proper research it is acceed choice feminism is bad?

I am looking at those links, this has come up as part of my research!

promise I will leave you alone after this. For a bit!