Really? Is it just me who doesn't get the Daniel Craig drag thing?

Have you read any other threads on here, StreetWise? It might be worth starting you own one to raise your points and try and open your mind to the idea that you might actually be wrong about your assumptions about feminism and feminists.

But please tell me where I'm going wrong with my opinions too, because I do know I'm often wrong and am happy to have my mind changed if I can be persuaded that I've got it wrong.

I'm really confused by your posts, though, StreetWise.

I'm glad I can do those things too. I think you're confused about what feminism is.

I don't think most feminists want to be men - far from it! They just want women to be valued in the same way men are, and not in a patronising way either.

Do you think men can't listen and understand and empathise? That's a myth that has been shown over and over not to be true. Unfortunately it's a myth that has been written about over and over again by popular writers of self-help books.

And you're making rather an assumption about me being bitter - I'm not bitter. I'm angry that my work is not valued because it doesn't earn any money - not not valued by my husband or by my family, but by society as a whole. And it's not valued because it's women's work, traditionally. When a man does it, they're pitied or thought of as weird.

I think most people on these boards would like a move towards flexibility with work so that families can do what suits them and their personalities.

This would benefit families who would like the man to be able to spend more time at home with the children.

You are arguing against things that no-one has said.

Steetwise I'm not sure what you're talking about.

If you are under the impression that feminism is about not being a SAHM then you are very wrong.

Unless you have been listening to Xenia, obv.

I consider myself rich and my DP as getting the poorer deal.

One big impact of women retiring earlier has been that they have had less earning capacity over their lifetime and their pensions have been fucked.

Woohoo how great.

Ah! I get it now! So she's a patriarchy collaborator and an anti-feminist? She'd like to still be living in the 50s, with a nice rich husband to keep her in pretty dresses and lipstick etc. etc.?

I genuinely didn't get why she was so angry, Sardine, but I think I do now.

And frankly, on retirement.

Take my parents. My mum does all the housework and "looks after the men". Took a few years out to raise me and my bro and then went part time. Still did all teh housework and looking after on top of that. Retired. Continued to do all the housework and looking after. My dad retired. Now he spends his time on hobbies. My mum spends all the time doing housework and "looking after the men".

Let's at least be honest about this - while women retired from paid work earlier, it didn't mean they stopped working. Women have always worked hard, and continue to do so, it's just not recognised.

Feminists want it recognised, not for all these mountains of unpaid work that women do to just happen invisibly with no-one giving it a second thought.

The car insurance action was brought by a group of men.
Feminists are all for people being SAHM, they just want it recognised for what it is ie hard work and just as important as going out to work.
I don't see how anyone can argue it's fair that women retire earlier than men TBH.

Sorry, I don't get you at all, StreetWise! If you disagree with what's being posted, why don't you jump in and debate with us like an adult, instead of posting something unpleasant like 'get a life'?

Why will you have to work longer when you go back to work, be made to feel being a sahm makes you inadequate, your car insurance will cost more just because a group of women on MN don't get the Daniel Craig film for IWD?

Moi, aggressive ? now that is funny.

Frankly, reading this thread makes me embarassed to be a woman. So much bitterness.

If Daniel Craig putting a blonde wig on gets people into this much of a lather and onto the train this has taken, well words fail me.

Thanks to this sort of thinking I will now have to work longer when i go back to work, be made to feel being a sahm makes me inadequate, my car insurance will cost more....the list goes on.

Vive la difference !

is usually meant to mean sceptical (in fact it says so next to the emoticon), or to use a more colloquial phrase, "what a load of shit".

If you have genuinely been using it to mean "I'm thinking about it" then you are going to end up in quite a bit of trouble!

Who are you talking to, StreetWiseHotMum? And why in such an aggressive way?

Oh please, get a life.

The eyebrow means I am thinking it through. hmmm.

In biology hermaphrodite means it (plant or animal) has both (full) male and female reproductive organs and can reproduce as either male or female. I guess the term has been adopted to describe humans but is inaccurate at least biologically 'cos they/we can't self -reproduce and I don't think they have 100% both.
Or something.

What you wrote SardineQueen I have been trying and failing to write since yesterday. I agree that unless you are genetically female you cannot know what it is like to be female (same goes for men and women to men transsexuals).
I want to write more but can't find the right way of saying it.

So what you're saying is gender is more how we act and are raised rather than what we are genetically?

The term 'gestational carrier' has all sorts of frightening implications - I heard it being used on some chat show (I don't normally watch them BTW) and it brings to mind the possibility of women being used to produce children like a battery hen.

Why the eyebrow?

very interesting sardine and jacqueline... very interesting.

Also meant to say that I think jacqueline is onto something with the interpretation, that makes perfect sense now someone's said it! Mind you if no-one "got" it then that's not great is it.

Adair Thank you for posting. The impact is lost on me.

I found it offensive and very negative.

All those statistics - saying women are scared all the time is hardly appealing, is it the case that we should all just slit our wrists and give up because women have such a hard time and a bad deal!

Why couldn't they have used a female actor?

I have got a horrible feeling I am wrong about what hermaphrodite means BTW!

I don't think people can be true hermaphrodites though, but I can't remember why

Len I agree that "gestational carriers" is an appalling term.