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Disney /Sexism

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amiheartless · 28/02/2011 22:23

Isis just fun in a childs film, or harmful to their basis of gender roles from a young age.

alot of vids on youtube concerning this, my sishappend upon one, I found them interesting. By the amount of videos talking about the evils of disney alot of people must have their concerns

do you feel this?

do you think its an over reaction?

how do you feel about kids watching it??

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Indelible · 02/03/2011 08:34

Kiki's Delivery Service looks good - it's the same director as Spirited Away, isn't it?

StayFrosty · 01/03/2011 20:49

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StewieGriffinsMom · 01/03/2011 20:30

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Takver · 01/03/2011 20:22

I did like the film of How to Train Your Dragon, but I thought that it was a real shame that they dumped the character Camicazi and replaced it with Astrid, who isn't a patch on her. (And of course thus dumped Camicazi's mother as well, the chief of the Bog Burglar tribe).

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LadyBiscuit · 01/03/2011 20:17

Princess and the Frog is blatantly sexist (it isn't until she gives up her dream of having a restaurant for love that she is 'allowed' to have both) whereas Toy Story is more obtuse. The messages are still there though. I love Studio Ghibli but my DS is a bit small for it. I found him sobbing at the end of Ponyo the other day (perhaps I shouldn't have left the room :o)

I know what you mean about HTTYD zikes but it's probably the best you're going to get with mainstream animation.

Are there any really good alternatives? I can't think of any

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zikes · 01/03/2011 19:58

LadyBiscuit, I really liked 'How To Train Your Dragon' too, but I do have reservations about the way Astrid(?) became the prize/trophy girlfriend who took her cues from boyfriend Hiccup towards the end.

She was feisty, competitive and interested in other things than blokes to start with. She even had a conversation with another female character about something other than a man, so the film even passed the Bechdel Test. Grin

Adair · 01/03/2011 19:56

Oh I love wizard of oz - the beautiful good witch Glinda.

Agree re body image - it's just so unnecessary. We laugh about the way barbies and disney princesses are so thin. I think/hope dd gets that it's not real. And just a way of drawing (though if i draw them for her, I do give them normal waists!)

bringinghomethebacon · 01/03/2011 19:52

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Adair · 01/03/2011 19:49

I like P and the frog - she gets love AND her restaurant (and her 'prince' works in it for her too)

We stopped watching so much Disney (even with commentry) when dd watched Enchanted and cried at the end 'because she didn't get her prince' Hmm. We did explain she gets her 'true love' (and the film is about her getting to know each other etc. And cheesy romance too. But I do like that the prince is a hopeless romantic too. Good role model - sort of - for my son).

We counteract and try to have a variety in this house. Lots of Studio Ghibli and our recent find - Powerpuff Girls! Girls who are 'girly' AND great!

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/03/2011 19:42

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SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 01/03/2011 19:36

''That is why I used the word 'humourless' before you start playing feminist bingo. To call Toystory sexist enhances the stereotype of humourless feminists. I think it's entertaining, I'd be more concerned about Twilight or Sex in the City.''

Yeah yeah yeah, and hating pornography makes you a prude, and not liking McDonalds makes you a food snob. Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Youllskimmer · 01/03/2011 19:25

That is why I used the word 'humourless' before you start playing feminist bingo. To call Toystory sexist enhances the stereotype of humourless feminists. I think it's entertaining, I'd be more concerned about Twilight or Sex in the City.

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/03/2011 19:18

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Youllskimmer · 01/03/2011 19:14

Thinking about it, calling Toy Story sexist is going a bit too far and won't do the cause of feminism any good just make it look ridiculous, and even humourless.

LadyBiscuit · 01/03/2011 19:06

I like How to Train your Dragon :)

Youllskimmer · 01/03/2011 19:03

What about Jesse the cowgirl?

StewieGriffinsMom · 01/03/2011 18:55

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babyapplejack · 01/03/2011 18:35

Toy Story 3 is a great film for 4/5 year olds. If you are going to pick this film apart because it has a couple of jokey comments in, then I don't think any film is going to please you for one reason or another. Calling this film sexist is just over analysing the dialogue IMO.

Indelible · 01/03/2011 18:29

Can anyone recommend any good, non-sexist films for young kids (stuff that would appeal to 4 or 5-year-olds)?

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amiheartless · 01/03/2011 16:45

Disney al though is riddled with sexism, all the princesses are pretty flimsy. & dull and the villans are the most interesting characters so Mean women /men are more intersting than nice people so in some ways whilst being sexist its shows how utterly ridiculous these roles are

Beauty & the beast? Gaston is a pompous concieted idiot, althought other women fawn Belle undermines him so i thought that was one redeeming feature.

The biggest bugbear with me is that practically every villian in British!!!! Angry

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LadyBiscuit · 01/03/2011 13:11

I really object to Disney films on the whole. The Princess and the Frog was supposed to be a reworking of a traditional tale - the princess is a black working class hero. But she has to choose between her dream (having a restaurant) and love in the end so of course she chooses love.

Really fucked me off.

Toy Story is a lot more about that low key insidious sexism which is a lot worse in some ways because it flies under most people's radars

zikes · 01/03/2011 13:06

Hmm, has anyone read this book: 'Feminist Fairy Tales' by Barbara Walker?

There's also 'Don't Bet on the Prince' by Jack Zipes which has some bedtime stories for children in, apparently. I don't know if either book is any good 'tho.

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