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Man cleared of rape because he was too drunk to realise which bed he was in.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 26/02/2011 12:29

Sorry DM but here.

This guy's girlfriend refused sex, he stumbled into another room "by accident" and started having sex with the woman in the bed there.

He was cleared of rape.

There is so much wrong with this that I don't know where to start. I imagine he's been cleared because he didn't intend (apparently) to commit a crime. But the fact is that neither woman had consented to sex with him, so whoever he decided to penetrate it would have been rape. He seems to have been cleared on the grounds that if he had walked back into his (non-consenting) girlfriend's room and penetrated her without further ado, that would not have been rape. It obviously would have been.

:( scared and Angry all at once.

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EngelbertFustianMcSlinkydog · 02/03/2011 14:00

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joeking · 02/03/2011 13:59

err' it was mentioned on this thread HDS, and not by me, so why wouldn't anyone who wanted to comment on it ?

aliceliddell · 02/03/2011 13:57

but in the long term, we need a campaign to change the legal/judicial situation. any ideas?

joeking · 02/03/2011 13:56

I'm agreeing with your cause, I just think if you want to attract maximum support to create maximum impact ( which after all is the object of the exercise isn't it?)then being inclusive is the way to go about it.

Coming across (even if you're not) as a hater of any section of society thank god will never be mainstream.

HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 02/03/2011 13:56

BrokenGirl I really feel for you. I can't imagine how traumatic this is for you. The system has let you down completely. Please don't feel that this is any way your fault.

A number of us will going on the march this weekend and I'm sure our thoughts will be with you. Please take care of yourself.

I don't think this is the thread to bring up your issue with the MWR march joeking.

aliceliddell · 02/03/2011 13:55

just a thought...if the id of the rapist is known, is there any way of publicising that with no legal ramifications for the publicists?

EngelbertFustianMcSlinkydog · 02/03/2011 13:49

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joeking · 02/03/2011 13:45

"EngelbertFustianMcSlinkydog Wed 02-Mar-11 13:00:41
The system is not set up to support you, sadly, BrokenGirl but there are people on here who believe you - lots of us are going to London to march and demand an end to male violence against women and children - I will be thinking of you."

How about ALL violence against women and children

BrokenGirl11 · 02/03/2011 13:16

RossettiConfetti,i feel at a lose,no one has answers no one seems to be able to say they can help, my phones silent,the police have not even bothered to call me. i dont understand what you mean when you say you have written to the attorney general? do you mean regarding this? is there anything they can do to help me? im sorry if im sounding desperate but thats how i feel,im at a lose at what to do,i just need some guidence, i cant except that this is it.
engelbert im so sorry to hear that you have been through the terror of being raped,i hope you were lucky to get justice against the evil person who did that to you

EngelbertFustianMcSlinkydog · 02/03/2011 13:00

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aliceliddell · 02/03/2011 12:54

of course the jury should never sleep straight in their beds after betraying you like that. you are doing really well at looking after yourself and your little girl through this. Is there anyone you could go and stay with to get a break from where you live? it might give you a bit of space to think what you want to do next.

dittany · 02/03/2011 12:53

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RossettiConfetti · 02/03/2011 12:52

BrokenGirl, I feel so so so outraged on your behalf. What that evil monster has done is beyond the pale, and I am seriously impressed by your strength and courageousness in taking it all the way to court.

I have written to the Attorney General, and if anyone else knows anything I can do to add my voice of protest I will do it. I live overseas, but would come back to the UK and protest on the streets if it would help.

Perhaps it's too soon, but have you considered telling your story (with names changed, for legal reasons as well as personal) to a reputable newspaper like The Guardian? Perhaps that could help add to a campaign to reform rape laws and the justice system?

BrokenGirl11 · 02/03/2011 12:49

thank you for all taking time out to reply back to me,i really appreciate it

Prolesworth · 02/03/2011 12:49

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BrokenGirl11 · 02/03/2011 12:47

Thank you to all of you for taking time to talk to me,i really appreciate it

aliceliddell · 02/03/2011 12:46

sorry, x-posted the bit about Rape Crisis.

BrokenGirl11 · 02/03/2011 12:44

im currently in contact with a girl from rape crisis,shes coming tomorrow to my house as im not doing good with leaving it at the moment and now im not more so as he lives in the same town as me. This is just a living nightmare,i cant get answers,the only one im getting is that the case is now closed and i have to move on,i cant move on, i cant except that hes now free after what he did to me,i held on to that one word...guilty,for so many months,i feel angry at the police,they could have done more for me in court,from the word go when this all started they painted me a picture of just how evil he is,the police wanted to move me out the county for my protection after my windows were all put through one night when me and my baby girl were inside.He also offered me money through a 3rd party to drop the charges,none of this was used in court,no one would listen to me when i pleaded with them to bring up everything they had on him. My injurys alone should have been enough and the fact that i made myself clear that i was not consenting to it that night,the jury should be ashamed

aliceliddell · 02/03/2011 12:43

so sorry to hear your story BrokenGirl. And very much hoping you are getting all the support you need. obv. Rape Crisis may be helpful. I think I'm speaking for everyone here to offer unconditional support to you through this horrible experience. Can we do anything to help you?

joeking · 02/03/2011 12:42

The injustice in the OP is bad enough, but how the hell was your monster found innocent BG ? I thought the law had been changed and they could bring up previous convictions now.

Dittany is right, www.rapecrisis.org.uk/
are excellent.

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BrokenGirl11 · 02/03/2011 12:33

Diffany you are so right justice is lie .

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