This board is the most frightening .

"SalandersBro Sun 27-Feb-11 01:28:05
?So the feminist bit has become insular. Exclusive. Irrelavant. Prersonilised. Devisive. Boring　. Where the vocab drives people away. something should change?

Oh the irony! There's a reason why you're reading the feminist topic and we're not reading the fishnet topic.
I hereby request that you make the fishnet topic more interesting for me. May I suggest you make it more feminist to draw in members. Thank you."

sakura - I couldn't give a flying fuck about whether you find the fishnet section interseting at all.

My comment about feminsit section was about how it looks to other people around here from reading stuff last night. not my personal opinion and it does look like all of those thnigs I say. to react so defensivly and tell me to make fishnet more interesting is far more loaded with the irony of the situation than you can apear to comprehend.
thank goodness the world of feminism is much bigger than this section of an internet forum.

This thread has become very odd.

For a lot of people being feminist = wanting equal pay, equal treatment , so to them, saying you're not a feminist would suggest that you don't belive in that. Maybe it would help to define what feminist means to you Custardo.

Yes as long as the carnivore is prepared to listen and isn't focused on telling the veggies they aren't been inclusive enough!

Feminism is something of a "dirty word".

Lots of mis informed stereotypes, Butch lesbians in dungarees, men haters, burning bras etc.

I have actually pre fixed conversations in the past with "Apologies, I'm an ardent feminist...." WTF ?

Feminism for me is that men and women are entirely equal; we just bring different things to the table.

Or - what Engelbert and Jess said :o

But at the same time hymie - that is precisely what has derailed a lot of interesting discussions on here because I don't think this topic should be about defending feminism and that's what ends up being discussed if there are a lot of people who are just attacking feminism's core values.

It's probably worth a separate thread for people to discuss why they don't self-identify as feminists. I'm still no clearer after the rest of custardo's posts

Btw, I do there is a difference between those who are new to feminism and may not use the term yet but who are keen to learn more and those who aren't new to it and aren't interested in learning more or using the term.

I'm getting confused about what all the non-feminists want from this board. And I still don't know how they would describe themselves or why they don't like to use the label 'feminist'.

This is the feminist discussion section. If you're not a feminist, I can only imagine one would want to come on this section to learn. If you're not here to learn, are you here to tell feminists they're wrong?

Isn't that like a carnivore going onto a board for vegetarians and announcing you aren't a vegetarian and they aren't being inclusive enough? Or going to a board about dogs and saying actually, you don't like dogs but prefer cats. If you want to learn more, fine, but why would anyone join a board called feminism/women's rights and then declare they are not a feminist and that other posters aren't doing enough to include them?

I'd still like to know why some are saying 'I'm not a feminist'. Do they not believe in the basic tenets of feminism?

Anything that relies on 'exclusivity' rings alarm bells for me. If you think 'feminist' issues are only for 'feminists' to discuss then you really can't have a problem with men only clubs that exclude women etc. etc. etc.

Surely equal opportunity for all is what everyone rightly strives for, so trying to achieve that by behaving in the oppoasite manner is illogical and self defeating.

Inclusive rather than exclusive.

I didn't even know there was a Feminist board until I saw the Chat thread
As a Feminist, of course I want to now join, but I understand the retiscence of those who feel somewhat intimidated.
Over 30 years ago, I stood outside a National Assembly of Women (NAW) meeting; too scared to go in. I was young in years and my feminist principles had developed in isolation up until then. Some of the Women were seriously scary, the "worst" one being an eighty year old hard line militant who literally dragged me in eventually.

I was only 16, and it was baby steps for me, but I had the benefit of all this experience and it has enrinched and shaped my life.

So now it's an internet forum instead of a door to a meeting; but every journey begins with the first step.

lol. Good point sakura. There are lots of sections of mumsnet that have no interest for me, and that's fine. there are probably sections that I don't even know exist. One of the great things about MN is that there is so much on offer.

SalandersBro Sun 27-Feb-11 01:28:05
?So the feminist bit has become insular. Exclusive. Irrelavant. Prersonilised. Devisive. Boring　. Where the vocab drives people away. something should change?

Oh the irony! There's a reason why you're reading the feminist topic and we're not reading the fishnet topic.
I hereby request that you make the fishnet topic more interesting for me. May I suggest you make it more feminist to draw in members. Thank you.

dittany - i don't understand what you want from me. honestly. Are you saying that i shouldn't post in the feminist section if i am not a feminist.

just let me know

So the feminist bit has become insular. Exclusive. Irrelavant. Prersonilised. Devisive. Boring. Where the vocab drives people away. something should change.