This board is the most frightening .

Those who are saying that they're not feminists because feminism sn't needed anymore-are you saying that you don't believe in equal rights and opportunities for women?

You may not think feminism is 'needed' but you can still believe that women deserve to be treated equally to men.

It's like declaring that you're anti-racist because racism isn't needed anymore. To quote someone above, I choose not to use the label 'anti-racist' because I don't believe there is racism anymore.

You can believe that people of all colours are equal even if you think racism has disappeared. It could easily come back in some parts of the world. To declare that you don't support equal rights and opportunities for women because you don't believe sexism exists anymore seems a bit ridiculous to me.

Even if you don't think sexism is the reason why women are still worse off all around the world, you could still be a feminist because all that that means is that you believe women should be accorded the same rights as men.

I cannot understand how anyone can not want to sign up to that even if they don't believe it's a problem (though cultures are in an ever shifting state and attitudes come and go so it doesn't mean that sexism won't come back-not that I think it has been eradicated, by any means.).

Youllskimmer
Put it this way, not having 50-50 representation on boards or in government has been disastrous for humanity over the millenia.
Look at all the wars, all the atrocities commited by dick-swinging men. Look at the way the courts today exonerate rapists and murderers who say "they didn't mean it".
it's ridiculous.
WOmen having 50% of the power is the only way to stop men's silly games.

The women of Iceland say that once you have 30% representation of women in parliament a shift takes place. 30% is critical mass. Women no longer have to conform so much to how men want them to behave (like THatcher), and things move forward.

You only have to read the comments here to see what so many people think. I know it's a comment board, but even so...

I don't see how having 50-50 representation on boards or in government will help women much.

Pretty much all the people I know men and women, who have reached the top have been driven, ambitious and ruthless. I think it is a bit Animal Farm swap one lot of leaders for a similar bunch.

And I don't think women with those characteristics will be on the look out to help other women.

wake me up before you do

Lenin, I am a focislist/seminist

on a lighter more musical note, are you going to GoGo??

vesuvia - am fine seeing other poeple's point of veiw. No idea why you are asking. But there you are.

Do you think this board seems 'scary' because you get trolled so much? I saw some of the links and noticed those obvious stirring.

If I had dipped into this thread part way through and didn't know Dittany - not personally, just from her posts over the years - I might not have realised what I was looking at. I might have found it aggressive.

Oh, I have supported rape myths by accident here myself nemo . NObody ripped a hole into me. they very articulately (and politely, looking back) pointed out to me where I was wrong.

I'll add that I think as a woman who has been raped I myself have supported rape myths. I wouldn't want to rip a hole in anyone who came on a forum saying 'but... it's not really rape is it, if x,y,z' as I would bear that in mind.

Unless it was posted by MisogynistBloke83

I know, what does that mean? "I didn't mean it was just dittany who supports rape myths, I believe you all do."
It keeps getting more ridiculous and everyone here knows it.

Glamour, you probably only notice the discrimination against men (although I'll need examples, because if you're talking about rubbishy paid jobs that women are supposed to do such are carework and what have you then it's hardly "discrimination" that women get chosen over men)

TBH, until 50% of parliamentary seats are held by women, and 50% of the country's resources are in women's hands, as opposed to being in men's hands, then and only then will I be able to take arguments about discrimination against men seriously,

sakura that actually dosent surprise me, although it is very interesting as ive come across more discimination towards men than i have towards women.

lol nemo at "I usually get ignored completely". It can feel like that sometimes. You just have to SHOUT REALLY LOUD
But it's not a 50/50 argument. Grace should not have made up shit about dittany by saying she (dittany of all peopel!) supports rape myths, when nothing could be further from the truth.

I understand the 'you' as in 'everyone' and as a personal address. It is difficult to tell which is which on the internet.

I decide what is feminist for me. YOU decide what is feminist for you, YOU decide what is part of your personal feminist beliefs.

I have great respect for both dittany and Grace and I can't believe you are rucking on here! I would have thought you both had a massive amount that you agreed on, and we are here arguing over words! Just words! You or YOU!

I have no concerns about anyone having a go at me as I usually get ignored completely