Do you think Pink is a feminist?

i think she is yes.

also, about calling girls stupid, thing is, unless someone POINTS IT OUT many girls dont think pandering to men IS stupid.

sometimes its quite useful to have someon saying, hang on a minute see how this looks from the other side.

i dont think thats the same as blaming them for mens behavior.

That's it in a nutshell.

Both Trillian and BFH have hit the nail on the head.

But it's interesting how different the perception of feminism is isn't it?

i also think that feminism is open to interpretation. it is a scale. so what may be acceptable to some, will not be to others, but both will still be feminists.

I have said what I have to say about Pink already - I don't think anyone can say "X is not a feminist because a real feminist wouldn't do Y"

Totally agree boofuckinghoo.

The L M video was a fairly long time ago and I doubt if she had the chance to do it today she would.

i think WRT the LM video, we need to accept that we are not ever in a permanent state of being. we are always learning and inproving, so something that Pink thought was acceptable years ago, she may be totally disgusted with now. i know there are things i remember from my younger days that i could shake myself for doing now, having the benefit of age and experience behind me.

yes i absoloutely do think she is a feminist. i think she may be directing her frustration at the wrong people but i think her intention is good and it is feminist.

"No. Not when she wrote a song called "Stupid Girls" about the women who act like sex objects in their videos and songs. Calling other women stupid is sexist, not feminist."

So any woman who has ever called another woman stupid is not a feminist?

"Is X a feminist?"

"No she can'' be a feminists, even if she thinks she is, because she once did one un-feminist (IMO) thing."

FFS.

I think that she is a feminist who is having to play the game of working in an industry which uses women's sexuality to make a profit.

Imo she has started of making small steps to moving outside what is expected of a pop star.

I love the video with the women hooked up to a milking machine to feed a calf

SGM I did wonder

Part of being a feminist is unpicking what we are used to thinking as normal and OK. We're all conditioned by our surroundings. No-one is born a fully aware feminist. I have done and said un-feminist things before, and I know they are now through learning and discussion. In that article, Pink doesn't say 'yes I am the most aware and knowledgeable feminist ever to walk the earth'. She says she is and that she's thinking some stuff through and that she's reading a pretty mainstream feminist book. So maybe she tried. And maybe she got it wrong. It doesn't make her beyond discussion and reproach, and how do we do any feminists or the movement favours by just saying 'yes dear, that's great' rather than discussing it?

No, the thread isn't about you. But whether you know fangbanger or not has no bearing to whether her talking to or about you is relevant to the thread.

"I have no idea who this person is."

So?

This thread is weird

some posters are acting like dittany is the boss at the end of a videogqme who, if defeated, will win feminism for them

she is a person with a perspective that can be engaged with or not, much like anyone else

it is bizarre to treat her as though she owns feminism, is feminism, is ruining feminism or worse yet maybe, as though she herself thinks any of those things

I imagine it must be very wearing to be constantly set up as some sort of feminist windmill for all the would be quixotes to tilt against

[ventures into unchartered territory]

Yes. I believe P!nk is a feminist.

Strong female message. Positive.
Very aware of her own sexuality and the way in which society manipulates such a thing. And explains why this is wrong. Deals with political issues.
Doesn't feel the need to validate things she does [pole dancing for her husband] to others as she is a strong independant female.

Feminism is always a journey and I believe it is extremely difficult to be black and white in such matters. There are always shades of grey. Just so happens she falls on the more feminist side of the spectrum [for me anyway].

Such stuff is always subjective and entirely dependant on point of view and can be argued as such until the cows/bulls come home.

"why does fangbanger keep commenting on me. I have no idea who this person is."

Are only your friends allowed to talk to you or reply to your points?