Do you think Pink is a feminist?

I liked that article someone linked to where Pink said about reading 'Female Chauvinist Pigs' and such. Makes me think redhappy's right about the aspirations, but not always getting it right.

The nipple-thing is a bit weird tho.

A few years ago I was watching a festival on tv, and they were filming Pink as she was about to go onstage. They were filming backstage and as her name was being announced she shouted 'Quick!' at an assistant who came running over, pinched Pink's nipples really hard, and then she ran on stage (Pink not the assistant).

It was bizarre. I suspect she has feminist aspirations, but her view is somewhat distorted as she herself is part of the media machine?

It's much more interesting when we recognize people's multiple motivations for what they do--real life doesn't often match dogma. So if Pink co-wrote "Stupid Girls" can we call her a feminist for the basic sentiment, or an anti-feminist for not making allowances for the pressure the "girls" are under? It's tricky.

But of course she deserves the credit, or the blame, for the song!

I agree with Dittany.

No. She is a poor woman's Peaches.

One of the troubles with the world is the way everyone takes away credit from women, by assuming that anything creative that a woman does, must have been done by a man. So you might hear someone talk about the guy who wrote "Stupid Girls" when anyone could go to the Wikipedia entry for the song and see:

Pink has explained that she noticed many young girls near her Los Angeles home aspire to the hypersexual personae of female celebrities rather than for their careers or talents. She was inspired to write "Stupid Girls", in which she deplores the lack of good role models for girls while encouraging them to cultivate independence and individuality. "There's a certain thing the world is being fed, and my point is there should be a choice," Pink said.

But to be fair, the same entry list one male name and one ambiguous one as co-writers.

I was going to say 'yes she is' but reading the arguments I think there's a very good point there - society sets women up to be dyed blonde, image obssessed, plastic, over made up and then laughs at/hates them for being so. Like the magazines which feature overweight/underweight slebs. Damned if you do damned if you don't. :(

yes! am consoled

it is a tough one though isnt it, because i really do feel like the women she was having a go at, like jessica simpson, really IS a victim. and paris hitlon for that mater (as far as the sex tape thing, it is HORRIFFIC that her ex got away with that). but at the same time, like i said, i think there is so much payoff by the patriachy for behaving like these women do, there are hardly any voices saying NO. dont do it, look at what you are doing to yourselves. and parodying their (specific) behavior.

Dittany fair enough I genuinely had no idea of the circus around its 'release'. So yes in the case of that video PH was most definitely a victim.

i really want to argue enter into a discussion with you about this dittany, but you are smarter have had more pracitce than me!

"Like most of that type they crave publicity and will do anything to get that publicity.

men have made it so that the only way to get that publicity is use your sexuality. in this respect i think PH is a victim.

also dittany she may be directing her comments to women because she feels thats the place to start.

like, i feel with feminism unless womne strt opening thier eyes, nothing is going to change

i guess i relate to her in that my agenda is with other women, not men.

if you see what i mean

Maybe Paris Hilton doesn't think of herself as the victim?

Being offended on her behalf while she still perpetuates the media circus isn't really addressing the point.

She had privilege from birth and she knows what she's doing.

Was Paris Hilton a victim Dittany? Genuinely I'm not sure. Like most of that type they crave publicity and will do anything to get that publicity.

I do agree that many of today's female artists are styled and marketed to a male agenda.

also think that Pink has had to play the game according to the boys' rules in order to get far enough to have a voice. if she started out as an all out feminist i highly doubt she would have had her foot through the door in the music industry. I'd far rather she hid her light for a period in order for it to shine to a bigger audience later than to never get to shine it in the first place.

"unless someone POINTS IT OUT many girls dont think pandering to men IS stupid."

i agree frikonastick

Exactly, HopeForTheBest.

"misguided girls" doesn't have quited the same ring to it.

um cross posts with much more erudite posters, sorry :)