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Surnames and women - thought you lot might be interested

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JaneS · 24/02/2011 12:57

I went to a lecture last night and one of the points that came up was about surnames, so I thought the MN feminists might be interested since it relates to those arguments about taking or not taking one's husband's name.

I've often heard people say that by keeping your 'maiden' name, all you're doing is keeping one man's name in preference to another man's name. Of course there are arguments against that (it's the name you've been known by all your life, etc.), but I thought this was interesting:

Apparently, lots of common English surnames like Brewster, Baxter, Webster, come from Anglo-Saxon words that have been given a feminine ending. So, a Brewer is a male maker of beer; a Brewster is a female maker of beer. A Baker is a man; a Bake-ster (Baxter) is a woman, and so on.

So, it seems - although we can't prove exactly how it happened - that at some point in history, families took the names of a female breadwinner.

I have no idea how significant this is in academic terms, but it's rather nice, isn't it? Smile

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PrettyCandles · 24/02/2011 19:54

Gangster is a relatively modern word. I think it appeared in America during Prohibition. Adding -ster to a noun to indicate someone who does or is that noun had probably become genderless by then.

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JaneS · 24/02/2011 19:02

Tei - I think you could argue some 'ster' endings aren't related ('roadster', gamester). But I'm not sure why - I'm not a philologist myself.

alex - I don't know what's online, but I know the lecturer took issue with the still-unrevised entry in the OED that was written around 1900 by some prick who comments that it seems highly unlikely men ever 'consented' to be known by female-sounding surnames, so he is unsure what could be happening. Hmm

I'm glad you all liked it, it put a smile on my face and there's not often a chance to do that when you're looking at language and sexism! Smile

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PrettyCandles · 24/02/2011 15:27

Don't forget Spinster - the unmarried woman spinning yarn to make her trouseau. That never became a surname - would have indicated an illegitimate birth!

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 24/02/2011 15:18

wow! thanks LRD, that is interesting.

alexpolismum · 24/02/2011 14:56

It sounds fascinating. I wish I had been to your lecture, it sounds like my kind of subject! I wonder if there is anything online..?

TeiTetua · 24/02/2011 14:49

Hah. I once worked with a man who enjoyed sewing as a hobby, and he used to describe himself as a "seamster". Just the same as a seamstress, then?

Drizzela · 24/02/2011 13:34

Thanks for that. It is interesting.