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Assange (continued)

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Omg20 · 18/02/2011 18:24

The thread is apparently to big for anymore posts lol

Original thread here

I want to make sure there is a thread for the outcome of the trial so that people can post what they think about the outcome and also to continue debate that was ongoing in the op. Grin

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Prolesworth · 24/02/2011 11:46

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 24/02/2011 11:38

sorry to put a downer on it, but what happens next? Assuming he loses the appeal, he goes to Sweden and gets tried there, and most likely wins no matter what the truth of the matter was, and will be made to look like he was right all along.

I agree that the judge's comments were good, and of course it is better that he stands trial, but isn't this a no-win situation for women really?

I mean, what are the odds of him being convicted even if he did it? there are no witnesses other than the victims so they will just say they were lying. And the women will have to go through a lot more shit.

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Omg20 · 24/02/2011 01:54

The day has come :) Appeal to follow no matter who wins case.

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Unrulysun · 19/02/2011 15:27

And for 'the legal system' read 'society'.

Does anyone know what the stats for rape reporting/conviction are in other countries?

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claig · 19/02/2011 08:25

'I got told off for saying nobody's "a rapist" until they have been convicted'

do you think that there are no unconvicted rapists?

HerBeX · 19/02/2011 08:01

What's a technical rape AgingGrace, how does it differ from a rape?

And where has Assange unequivocally and categorically been declared a rapist?

I'm not sure he actually has been. But I do think that when people say people who have been accused of rape, should answer the charges, other people immediately see that as mad hairy feminists condemning all men as rapists.

When in fact it's people who say "oh all men do that" who are condemning all men as rapists.

AgeingGrace · 19/02/2011 02:59

HerBeX wrote:
Why, when feminists say Assange should be extradited to be questioned about these rape allegations, do all his supporters say that feminists have decided he's guilty already?

... even on this board, he's been referred to as a rapist more than once. I got told off for saying nobody's "a rapist" until they have been convicted. I speak as someone whose circumstances have forced her to have a lot of contact with specialist police services; I have been known to say things like "A man who [does xyz] is a rapist" as a result of what I've learned.

Assuming no-one on this board has sufficient intimate knowlege of Assange to raise those concerns, we're talking about an admittedly strange man who's been accused of technical rape at a time when he was being hounded by powerful agencies for acts unrelated to his personal or sexual habits. Anybody who refuses to perceive a potential connection between the two is blinkered.

I said earlier, I suspect he did it. That's no more than a guesstimation: there's no way I'd say Assange is "a rapist" as others have asserted on this board. If you can't tell the difference between a personal opinion and a legally indicteable, criminal accusation, you can't blame feminists like me (never mind non-feminists) for querying your validity.

Grrr.

Rhadegunde · 18/02/2011 23:38

I had a mass delete over the rape anonymity laws. It made me feel better.

Hatterbox · 18/02/2011 23:33

I've had a massive Facebook cull over the Assange case, not any of my real friends, but people I knew from school, university and my employment days who I accepted out of politeness.

I've seen too many comments suggesting that the US Government are behind this, that the UK Government will be making sure the court rules to extradite him so as not to damage the 'special relationship' with the US etc.

After banging my head on the desk, I just deleted them all.

Rhadegunde · 18/02/2011 23:18

It is Jeanine

HerBeX · 18/02/2011 23:13

Oh right, a new thread. Good. What I was going to say on that other thread, was, why, when feminists say Assange should be extradited to be questioned about these rape allegations, do all his supporters say that feminists have decided he's guilty already?

We haven't. We've merely said that rape allegations should be taken seriously and that people accused of it, should answer any questions that the authorities want to put to them.

Why do some people make the massive leap of logic that says that means we've all condemned him without a trial?

Are their critical thinking skills really so poor?

Off to bed now, back some time this weekend...

JeaninePattibone · 18/02/2011 23:13

I thought it was a hearing on extradition to Sweden to face questioning. AFAIK he hasn't been formally charged/indicted yet - hence the primary defence argument is that the European Arrest Warrant was invalid. The purpose of which is to extradite people either to face trial or to serve a sentence, not to facilitate an investigation.

Rhadegunde · 18/02/2011 22:56

The bit you have put in bold refers to a hearing not a trial.

Rhadegunde · 18/02/2011 22:53

Omg - I think you have got that wrong. It's a hearing on extradition to face a trial in Sweden.

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