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Sorry - it's another link to the DM - but I KNOW this couple

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Treats · 02/02/2011 10:54

this article

Ironically I was just googling 'Feminism' and the name of the town I'm moving to in a few weeks because I was inspired by a thread on here to think about joining a feminist group. Coincidentally a couple I know from uni live in the next street and they've just popped up as the first couple featured in this article.

I think I'm going to faint........

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TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 02/02/2011 14:52

I see two of the SAHMs have cleaners.
Well, that's just cheating.

No wonder I don't run a house of 'calm' and 'order' like these paragons.

DirtyMartini · 02/02/2011 14:34

It makes me wonder what they will do in 15 or 20 years, when their kids are uninterested in anything but youthful hijinks, their husbands are completely used to the fact of having to do NOTHING around the home at all EVER, and their youthful energy is behind them but they're still expected to be fulfilled by domestic chores and being a "sounding board".

Won't it be immensely tiresome by that stage, even assuming they genuinely enjoy it while the kids are at home?

It also reads like there's a bit of fantasy-homemaker stuff going on, where the love and romance in the relationship is really dependent on the women playing this role and being fragrant and lovely. I don't know how that will pan out for them as middle age tightens its grip, either.

Oh, whatever, I'm allowing the DM's version to shape my thinking - need to remind myself it's almost certainly half-made-up and not how their lives really are.

Treats · 02/02/2011 14:31

If they have any savings Ekka. It takes a lot of income to pay the mortgage on a family home and meet all the bills. There's not going to be a huge amount left over, even with the high salaries these men are earning.

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Ekka · 02/02/2011 14:17

Going back a bit to Darlene's point about being penniless if their husband left, in fact most of those women will probably have the savings in their name, as from a tax perspective that makes sense. Am currently a SAHM and this is what dh and I do as I don't pay tax on the interest (sadly we have nowhere near enough savings to bring me close to my personal allowance - I wish!).

Also, surely the point about it being their choice is partly true. Eg a friend of mine could not go back to work as she and her dh's incomes didn't cover the additional cost of the childcare in the short term (now she can as school covers some of that) whereas these women have the choice of going back ft, pt, or sahm as money is no object. I agree it is not a choice many people have, but it is still a choice.

Bit off topic, but I couldn't cope with the pictures, it reminded me of some hideous 50s magazine.... Bet they are cringing when they see themselves Grin

Bonsoir · 02/02/2011 14:03

"would those women be so happy to stay at home if their husband was on a teacher's wage say? It's all about grabby materialism too."

No - it's just about basic economics.

DirtyMartini · 02/02/2011 13:55

(I know that is a fairly shallow reaction btw, I am just too exhausted at the moment to address the more serious issues at play)

Treats · 02/02/2011 13:55

No they wouldn't. Which is why it's a red herring to say it's THEIR choice to stay at home. It's a 'choice' that depends entirely on their husband's income and which they therefore have no real control over. If he decided to pack it all in and go and live in a yurt, they couldn't continue to CHOOSE to live the way they do.

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DirtyMartini · 02/02/2011 13:55

Even if they didn't take the DM shilling with a full understanding of how badly they would come across, they still basically took it to show off how awesome their life choices supposedly are. Look at us! LOOK!!!!! Everyone!

I will never understand why people think this is anything other than the height of tackiness.

dittany · 02/02/2011 13:46

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Treats · 02/02/2011 13:17

Agree dittany - it would be a VERY different article if the sexes were reversed. I just can't imagine that the Daily Mail would ever write approvingly of a woman who didn't know how the washing machine worked.

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sakura · 02/02/2011 13:17

i mean they do less housework than men whose wives earn less than them, or SAH

sakura · 02/02/2011 13:16

Ineterestingly, research shows that men whose wives earn more than them tend to do less around the home, something to do with masculinity...

Bonsoir · 02/02/2011 13:15

FWIW, I think outrage can be in order when both a man and a woman in a relationship WOH and the woman also takes on the full domestic burden (sock drawer sorting etc). But not when a man is supporting a woman. Not that there are any rules at all - it really is up to couples how they distribute the workload.

sakura · 02/02/2011 13:13

no, but before I met DH for example, he worked all hours for over seven years while he lived a bachelor. He didn't lose the ability to load the washing machine, cook and tidy up upon marrying me.
After having kids, we divided the labour: he has able to push forward in his career with free wrap-around childcare (me) and I've been lucky enough to be able to stay with my little ones while they're small.

it's got nothing to do with housework though. I do what I can around the house, I cook more than him at the moment, but I put my energies into things that will enable me to return to a satisfying job in the future.

Bonsoir · 02/02/2011 13:09

It seems like a perfectly reasonable trade-off to me: husband out working all hours, wife taking on domestic chores for her husband. What on earth is wrong with that? It's a private arrangement that is not immoral or illegal or dangerous.

sakura · 02/02/2011 13:08

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sakura · 02/02/2011 13:08

but that Rebecca (or at least the DM version of her) is a slave/servant. What has tidying the sock drawer and laying out the breakfast got to do wiht being a SAHM? I'm at home for my children not my husband.

dittany · 02/02/2011 13:08

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Treats · 02/02/2011 13:05

I've just been teasing him about some of the comments under the article Grin. Loving the woman who's taking them to task for his 'unwashed and unironed' trousers....... Think he'll think twice before accepting the Daily Mail shilling again.

Katie - echoing sakura (and this is a general point, not about Jon and Rebecca) - I think the whole 'feminism is about choices' line is a red herring. You only get the right to choose if your household can afford it.

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Bonsoir · 02/02/2011 13:05

dittany - what's your problem? If a man is happy to be a breadwinner and a woman happy to be a SAHM, that is a perfectly valid life choice.

mnistooaddictive · 02/02/2011 13:03

I am a SAHM but they make me hate all SAHM! So smug and full of themselves.

dittany · 02/02/2011 12:58

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sakura · 02/02/2011 12:45

Kate, I don't think feminism is fundamentally about choice, but that's def for another thread

nickelthenaughtybutnicefairy · 02/02/2011 12:41

it could be a fun discussion, then, when you get together! Grin

oh dear, Daily Mail, not doing yourselves any favours, are you?