Men discriminated against from cradle to grave according to Dominic Raab MP

I just think feminism will have more chance of success with more men on board.

I'm the only man I know that knows anything about feminism and I'm not exactly Charlotte Perkins Gilman.

On average men earn twice the amount that women do in my profession, after twenty years.

Of course this might be because men are more talented and have more drive

Or it might not.

It's all a question of perspective.

The thing that is scary about Dominic Raab, is not so much that he is a dinosaur, but that he's an elected dinosaur. So there are people out there who think like him, read the Mail and fulminate against feminists on a daily basis. I suppose it is Esher though, which mostly accounts for things.

When I hear about racism, I never have the urge to talk about the plight of white people. No when I hear about homophobia to I feel the need to raise the problems a heterosexual faces. So no.

I think it probably does Truckulent, but that's generally because of lack of familiarity with political terms like class and privileged.

We can't always pitch discussions to the level of people who don't have political literacy. Nothing would ever get discussed.

Don't you think saying men as a group are richer than women as a group disenfranchises a proportion of men from these discussions?

If you've lost your job, struggling to get another one, bills are mounting and you hear as a group you're privileged, it must make it hard to relate to these discussions.

I think DR is at the top of a multi-layered pyramid and doesn't and can't speak for me or my life.

And he's not interested in socio-economically disadvantaged men sm, he's a tory.

He's using anti-feminist sentiment in order to attack women. Of all classes. He's not interested in social justice and fairness for disadvantaged men.

No it's not a competition, but DR is trying to pretend that men are oppressed as a class in the same way women are.

Which is patently idiotic.

i didnt say men are a class.i discussed impacting factors of socioeconomic disadvantage

gender based if majority laid off in were males,as in some industries.certainly a hardship is borne by a family but certain male industries in decline laid off majority men. as they employed majority men

this isnt a competition to see who is most hard done to. deprivation,inequality are hard felt upon individuals

Decline of traditional industries disadvantaged women just as much - the rag trade, factories etc. closing put working class women out of work at the same time as the ship yards closing put their husbands and brothers out of work.

The disadvantage was class-based, not gender-based.

i do think people can read 1 post below,why on earth C&P such close proximity.and i didnt say that feminists closed male dominated industries did i

They don't disadvantage men as a class SM.

They disadvantage some men in some circumstances, but those disadvantages are not because of their gender as the disadvantage extends to women in their peer group as well.

scottishmummy wrote - "decline of traditional industries do disadvantage some men- not all men"

Men have been negatively impacted by this, but I think it is important to state that feminists did not close the coal mines, shipyards and car factories etc.

class,health inequalities,parenting stereotypes that women are better with babies and children,decline of traditional industries do disadvantage some men- not all men

lazy oft touted stereotypes and clichés like it's a mans world are not applicable to all men

certainly there needs to be a recognition that structural,educational and social factors disadvantage men too. not just women

dont agree with all the sentiments he expresses but certainly worth discussing

Quotes from Laurie Penny's article in the Guardian:

"One truth: we need to end the gender war"

"it is the rich who are making gains at the expense of the poor."

Wealth and poverty are gender issues. Most of the richest people are male and most of the poorest people are female.

Do you think she has a point?

'One truth: we need to end the gender war'

I do agree with her:

' it is the rich who are making gains at the expense of the poor.'

Good article thanks for the link

Not going to read the comments

Four myths about feminism ? and one thing Dominic Raab is right about. Article here

"I took too long to get back"...because you were peeling yourself off the ceiling and unclenching your fists?

PMSL

Or one at a time. Sadly.

well, to be fair, it's hardly a secret stash!

Again and again eh? Oh god, have the Tories got a secret stash of misgynist arseholes and they're releasing them into the wild one at a time?

Thanks for getting back.

My favourite bit is about the huge amount of positive discrimination in favour of women. I want to know where it is so I can go and take advantage of it.