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Jamie Oliver - 'pimp the flavour'

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Katiekitty · 21/01/2011 17:46

He says this over and over...

example: 'add some garlic to pimp the flavour'

Is this now a fully-acceptable term to use? His cookery programme is on at 5.30

It all seems part how the sex industry is becoming more and more accepted and normal, cool even.

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scottishmummy · 22/01/2011 19:56

i dont find it sinister,and taking it out of the humorous urban colloquial context is seeking offence where i dont see any

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Katiekitty · 22/01/2011 19:54

Why do you think that scottishmummy?

Do you use these terms?
Are they acceptable to you?

Pimp this, pimp that?

Not acceptable to me, but I know I'm not to everyone's taste. I get called a prude often. I don't care!

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scottishmummy · 22/01/2011 19:50

think you are overthinking this.socialsciencetastic navel gazing

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Katiekitty · 22/01/2011 19:41

good analagy Flamingobingo I see people saying they've had their Facebook 'raped' i.e. someone has gone on it and written something awkaward.

Makes it a bit of a laugh
Makes it a jape
Makes it seem an inevitable occurance

'Pimp'? same thing going on here, you can 'pimp' in your own kitchen and lord it about

Come on Jamie, surely you have the vocabulary to describe your cooking other than this?

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FlamingoBingo · 22/01/2011 19:34

Titsalina - I don't think anyone is saying that JO is trying to offend, or that he is a nasty or sexist person.

But the point is, whether you like it or not, language makes a huge impact on the general beliefs and attitude of a society. If people don't get uppity about words being used inappropriately, then they become normal, which then goes onto make the behaviour and beliefs that go with the words normal too.

Take the word 'rape'. It is and should be a shocking and horrifying word, but people are starting to use it wrt to 'the rape of a landscape' for example. IMO, it's just wrong. It shouldn't be 'normalised' as a word, because it then makes the act of rape less shocking and horrific.

By taking the word 'pimp' and using it in normal language, you are taking away from the horrific meaning it actually has.

TitsalinaBumSquash · 22/01/2011 18:55

I will come back later or tomorrow and discuss.

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Katiekitty · 22/01/2011 18:45

And, a glug of olive oil for you Provincial Lady [femmosmile]

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sethstarkaddersmackerel · 22/01/2011 18:42

Titsalina - I agree with you about Jamie but I think you will find that the people on here who notice the small stuff are also the ones who are extremely active on the big stuff. (And in my experience, though I'm sure this doesn't apply to you, people who tell you not to get cross about things they deem to be small are frequently not themselves active on the big things.)

I know very few active feminists who don't think language is important.

chibi · 22/01/2011 18:42

so as long as you are basically nice, you can say what you like, and anyone offended is just petty Hmm

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 22/01/2011 18:38
TitsalinaBumSquash · 22/01/2011 18:37

I wasn't going to come back to this thread, I am far to emotional to be discussing things like this but hey ho.

Personally I don't think there is one nasty bone in JO's body, as someone who reads people very well and is trained to read people, he comes across very harmless and genuine so I don't think he thinks that using the word 'pimp' is going to cause offence.

I don't hear the words 'nigger' and the rest used as slang terms but I do know some people use it affectionatley between each other, (I watched a programme a while ago with 2 black men calling each other my nigger)

All im trying to say is that, some stuff in the world is so, so, much worse and if everyone used thier energy to get proactive againt it rather than sweating the small stuff, then who knows.. great things could be achieved.

Anyway like i said, i'm in no state to be discussing 'deep' things like this right now so I shall agree to disagee and apologize if I have offended anyone or come across as rude.

TheProvincialLady · 22/01/2011 18:33

This is my first post in feminism BTW - do I get cake? Am a long term lurker but not brave enough to post usually.

TheProvincialLady · 22/01/2011 18:32

Titsalina do you also feel the same way about the words nigger, paki, wop etc? All common parlance in the 1970s and beyond and not acceptable today because, oh yes, they are racist. Does sexist/misogynist language not matter as much because it is only women? Genuine question.

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Katiekitty · 22/01/2011 18:21

Titsalina - no, I don't have an easy life, I have a shit life.

But what really pisses me off is Jamie Oliver using 'pimp' as a cooking term.

So, despite my shitty life, I still have room for anger at this. And I'm expressing it here on MN.

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TitsalinaBumSquash · 22/01/2011 18:17

Ok, fine. I was just putting my opinion in. I will vacate now.

Coleysworth · 22/01/2011 18:16

I don't see anyone going 'hyper' here.

TitsalinaBumSquash · 22/01/2011 18:13

No I guess it doesn't, I don't like it or dislike it, I just thing there are much bigger things to get hyper over than what a television chef says in a very obviously unthinking way.

chibi · 22/01/2011 18:12

does 'pukka' also mean profiting from women selling sex?

you may not like it, but words do have meanings

TitsalinaBumSquash · 22/01/2011 18:04

I think if that annoys you, you live a very easy life and should be thankful. Jamie Oliver isn't sexist he has picked up a slang term used today and put it in his shows, just like when he used to say 'pukka' I think people just hunt out things to be offended by.

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 22/01/2011 18:01

Oranges and lemons

sethstarkaddersmackerel · 22/01/2011 17:33

I want to know what this nursery rhyme was that had 'maidenhead' in it!

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 22/01/2011 17:10

Dad not had grrrrrrrr bloody predictive spelling

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 22/01/2011 17:09

Seem, not same

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 22/01/2011 17:09

Lol no worries, I used the term offensive, I was just being lazy and not rereading.

But some people same to find the Oliver offensive full stop.

Wazz it up in the blender for instance - my ds5 told me to do that the other day.Shock

But then on the other hand my ds is telling his had he wants to cook the food on the program with him. So I can't argue with that.

ISNT · 22/01/2011 17:05

Binful I wasn't referring to your post! Looking at it again, it was the same poster who said that, they said it twice!

(Remembers to check usernames more).