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Using statistics to further your own agenda?

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FlamingoBingo · 19/01/2011 14:53

My friend has just left, having explained how she doesn't feel comfortable with the MWR statistics, suggesting that it's using sensationalised statistics to get people involved. Also that what she objects to is violence against anyone and doesn't see why it has to be about women only.

We had a lovely, open discussion about it, but, in an effort to further my understanding and deepen my knowledge, what would your answers be to something like that?

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JBellingham · 19/01/2011 15:55

Statistics are easily tripped out to make a point that is not neccessarily the case.

They should always be scrutinised.

For the last 250 years the number of blacksmith's forges in the world has dropped off dramatically and over the same period of time the average temperature of the earth has risen. More blacksmith forges = reduction in global warming.

Its easy to cherry pick and mis-represent statistics.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 19/01/2011 15:52

Have this conversation in a year's time and you'll be stifling the yawns :)

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 19/01/2011 15:51

Flamingo - just wait. I got into a debate (much against my will, it was a party fgs) with a friend about the subject of a recent feminist campaign. In the end I just told him "you will NOT be better informed than me on this, and I will out-argue you so you might as well give up now!" :o Not my usual style at all but the good thing about being a feminist in a misognist society is you get plenty of chance to practise your arguments.

FlamingoBingo · 19/01/2011 15:49

MWR is Million Women Rise - flyer here with statistics

She said that there are men that experience violence from women and men as well, and women who are violent towards women. What about them?

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HerBeX · 19/01/2011 15:46

With regards to violence against women, I would point out that unlike violence against men, it is sanctioned and promoted by our society. Most people don't say that men are responsible for the violence which other men (mainly) inflict on them, but they do say that women are. The attitudes are very different and that's worth spotlighting. I'd also say that in the case of women, much of the violence is of a sexual nature and that women live with the constant threat of it in a way that men don't - we are more likely to alter our habits by taking taxis etc., than men are, because we don't feel safe on the streets. Now many men also don't feel completely safe, but they do feel safer and they don't automatically feel the need to shell out loads of dosh for a taxi every time they go out, because otherwise they might be a) beaten up and/ or raped and b) blamed for being so becaus they should have got a taxi/ shouldn't have gone out.

Coleysworth · 19/01/2011 15:40

I don't see how anyone can claim that there isn't a problem when it comes to violence against women.

Extremely low levels of rape reporting, high rates of attrition, low conviction rates (in England and Wales alone, let alone the problem elsewhere - DRC anyone?)

Women aren't getting access to justice. It's a nightmare.

slhilly · 19/01/2011 15:39

What is MWR?

Other posters more eloquent than me can explain why it is important to focus specifically on violence against women. I think it is possible to stand against all oppression and still focus attention on one form of oppression first and foremost.

FlamingoBingo · 19/01/2011 15:38

Not much more detail to give, really - I'm no good at this. I say things confidently, and then someone disagrees with me, and I don't know enough to say 'actually.....'.

There are things I feel strongly about that I am extremely well versed in that I can argue about confidently and articulately until the cows come home. Feminism ain't one of them Sad...yet!

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FlamingoBingo · 19/01/2011 15:37

Um...don't know, really! That they've picked the ones that look the most shocking deliberately?

What about the disagreeing to object to violence against women as a group, as well, though?

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Coleysworth · 19/01/2011 15:37

It's hard to know how to respond to that without more detail Confused

HerBeX · 19/01/2011 15:35

What does she mean "sensationalised statistics"?

Statistics are statistics. You can report them sensationally, but the statistics themselves don't change.

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