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Toby Young for example...

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Bumperlicious · 17/01/2011 17:49

You know the rest. He (I think that's who he was - god I hope I got the right one) was just on R4 saying how woman are better at early parenting than men. It's the whole 'I'm so crap at housework there's no point in me doing it' argument.

And it's bollocks really. As a breastfeeder I am spectacularly crap at soothing my babies other than sticking a boob in their mouth. Dh's lack of breasts has meant he has had to be much more creative in soothing our children.

Twat!

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StuffingGoldBrass · 19/01/2011 17:16

Fair-ish point Marantha, but as a writer Parsons is an utter twat, all whiny-male navel-gazing and thinking feminism's great when it doesn't involve your own partner being equal.

As for Landesman (yes, it was him), he once wrote something rude about me; some years later I met him and ticked him off resoundingly for so doing.
He wussed out completely bwahahaha!

FunnysInTheGarden · 19/01/2011 16:42

marantha are you having a laugh? I too would rather be out earing the money and have someone look after my children, but to say I am biologically unsuited to child rearing would be nonsense just as it is for men.

marantha · 19/01/2011 16:39

Don't think it is fair to bring Tony Parsons into this; as far as I know, HE brought up his baby son when Julie Burchill left their marriage. Not a judgement on the wonderful Ms Burchill, just a matter of record.
So I don't really think it is on to bring him into this debate and tar him with same brush.

I think Toby Young speaks for majority of men, anyway, yes a man will look after his baby day-in-day out if he has to, but I'd bet he'd rather be earning the money.
Just because people do not like the truth, does not make the truth less so.

claig · 18/01/2011 23:34

She even used to write for (horror of horrors), the Daily Mail, the bastion against pseuds and progressives.

claig · 18/01/2011 23:27

I agree about JB. I think she is a pseud. She's certainly not politically correct and is not as left wing as many progressives think.

www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2002/jun/29/weekend.julieburchill

JessinAvalon · 18/01/2011 23:06

Yep, I agree re: JB. She did an article saying that she'd rather have page 3 than the burkha. Because of course, we have to have one or the other!

FunnysInTheGarden · 18/01/2011 22:27

oh, sorry I can't abide JB. She, for example, is a twat too.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/01/2011 22:10

She has truly shit taste in husbands. Mind you, I do love her candour in slagging them (and herself) off at every opportunity.

I love JB, even though am probably unreasonable for doing so. She is like the rude, greedy, bisexual, cool, feminist older sister I never had.

claig · 18/01/2011 21:28

Is that Cosmo Landesman? Just went to wikipedia. I never relaised that Julie Burchill was so much into religion. I think the sanctimonious Tony Parsons is worse than Toby Young.

StuffingGoldBrass · 18/01/2011 21:21

To clarify: JB wasn't married to Toby Young but she workd with him. She was married to Tony Parsons. And the other woman-patronizing gumby whose name I can't remember even though I all but called him out in a fight once.

GetOrfMoiLand · 18/01/2011 14:07

lol at 'why didn't Julie Burchill eat them'

Indeed.

He is like Penfold but without the charisma or stunning looks.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/01/2011 14:04

ROFL at "why didn't Julie Burchill just eat them when she had the chance?"

If she ever gets tired of this world I would really like her to go on a Bella-in-Dirty-Weekend style rampage first and take the whole fetid lot of them with her.

I can't believe that he worked with JB for all those years and still thinks that Women Are Natural Child-Rearers! Wasn't she very proud to be known to the DM as Britain's Worst Mother?

FunnysInTheGarden · 18/01/2011 13:31

really, well that explains an awful lot!

dittany · 18/01/2011 13:24

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FunnysInTheGarden · 18/01/2011 13:17

Isn't that Tony Parsons? Or was she with TY too?

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Ormirian · 18/01/2011 12:07

DD told me off for swearing Grin

FunnysInTheGarden · 17/01/2011 22:43

OK have read the thread, and can't believe that this kind of shit can be spouted on R4 of an eve. And no one seemed to pick him up on it.

Looking after babies can be mindnumbingly boring, so tis very convenient for him to say that men are biologically unsuited to doing it.

Jesus. I would like to take him to task in the flesh, so to speak. Hows about a webchat with TY?

StuffingGoldBrass · 17/01/2011 22:40

Oh he's a tiresome cock and always was. Him and Tony Fucking Parsons and that other gumby - why didn't Julie Birchil just eat the lot of them when she had the chance?

FunnysInTheGarden · 17/01/2011 22:37

Will read the thread soon, but have just posted about what a twat TY is. Listened to R4 this pm on PM Grin and was shouting 'you twat' at the radio.

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GrimmaTheNome · 17/01/2011 20:13

If you'd been in my kitchen when he was on you'd have heard me muttering things like 'just because you have bollocks doesn't mean you are required to talk bollocks'

The bit about women being naturally good with babies unlike men got me - no, I wasn't, it took effort and a steep learning curve. DH learned alongside me.

JessinAvalon · 17/01/2011 20:03

I didn't hear it and am glad that I didn't. I saw him on Newsnight a few months ago when they were talking about feminism. They had some venerable speakers and....Toby Young who of course was bleating the whole time, "but what about men....?"

I also heard James Delingpole on Woman's Hour a few months ago waffling on about how men shouldn't be changing nappies. Why on earth does Radio 4 give these morons airtime?