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The Catherine Hakim research

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 15:58

It is getting on my nerves the way this research is being reported.

The Telegraph

Daily Mail

Reuters

you can get a summary of the study on this page, referenced here too

google books copy see page 9 for some outstanding patriarchal defence

All in all it seems to me that this bit of 'research' has been made to perpetuate the author's own patriarchal views, and hence provides valuable ammunition to the anti-feminists in the media.

I might be the first to provide a review on google books Wink

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 21:03

Wow you are my hero

I couldn't disagree with you more. It only pisses off those who can't act like idiots anymore.

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moondog · 04/01/2011 20:39

It would be nice to think that state intervention and rule making and special exemptions would make the world a more equal place but it won't. It just pisses people off.

Life is hard. It's your job to make of it what you will.
My dh works halfway aronud the world (without us) and has done for many years becasue that's where the work is.

That';s the way it is. Neither of us are crying into our orange juice about it.

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 20:36

righto. So lets forget about measures for homophobia, racism, disabilities - there's no point

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moondog · 04/01/2011 20:34

Noone has a free choice to do anything! That's the way the world works whether you are black, white, male or female.

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 20:33

It is not true that women have a free choice to either pursue their career or look after their family. That is a rather fundamental prerequisite for this research. Are you disagreeing?

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moondog · 04/01/2011 20:30

Ah, it's not your truth so it's untrue.
I see.....Hmm

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 20:27

You said the truth hurts. The truth being peddled about in this research and the subsequent reporting isn't the truth. What is your point?

"Can't have it all" - who can't ? Women, men or both?

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moondog · 04/01/2011 20:19

I wouldn't.
It's precisely the reason I work hard now.
Can't have it all kiddo.
That comes as a nasty shock to a lot of folk.

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 20:18

or even "wallet runs off with a pelvic floor"

Yes, thanks moondog. You enjoy working for nowt in the local charity shop when your DCs have upped and left.

As the article above states: "Perhaps it needs to be spelled out: even women who gladly choose to stay at home with their children in the early years do not rejoice in the consequent financial penalties and lifelong hobbling of career choices"

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singingcat · 04/01/2011 20:11

I think if you're looking at the readership of those papers, i.e. the middle classes, then a lot of women DO choose to stay at home with children etc. When I was at university I was surprised by the amount of girls who didn't especially want a high-flying career, but did want to marry someone rich. Of course they did go into careers, because it's unacceptable for middle class girls to just say 'Actually, I'm just going to marry someone rich' after all the effort that has been put into their education. But that was undoubtedly the aim.

The fact is, if you marry someone rich you can have the exact same lifestyle as them without having to do the mad City hours. It's perfectly socially acceptable to choose to be a SAHM to small children. Sounds like a win-win situation - unless your husband dies or becomes ill or, in the immortal words of scottishmummy, 'wallet runs off with a twinkie'

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 20:07

Refreshing, really ?

Because a women states that all feminists are man haters and it is refreshing to hear that from another woman ?

Because women have a free choice when they have families to either pursue a career or look after children and most freely choose the unpaid labour? I have to say, that it certainly would be refreshing if it were true that women do have a free choice upon becoming mothers.

Shame it's not true

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moondog · 04/01/2011 20:02

I thoguht it very refreshing to read of it in the telegraph today.#
The truth hurts sometimes.

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 20:00

So you think it is true lilcrumb, that women want to do the unpaid labour and don't really want proper jobs ?

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lilcrumb · 04/01/2011 18:11

She delivers unpalatable truths. It is how the newspapers report it with their fundamentally patriarchal agenda, or with the viewpoint only of successful female columnists, the high earner highly professionally/careerist women, these are who we should have problems with. Surely? Hmm

DamselInDisgrace · 04/01/2011 16:23

Here is a great stance by an academic...

?Why are women less likely to achieve the top jobs and associated higher pay?? she trills, swiftly concluding that there?s no way of knowing and that we therefore needn?t worry ourselves about it.

The point of carrying out research would be to find ways of finding out why this is. That what, erm, researchers do.

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LadyBlaBlah · 04/01/2011 16:18

phew this review has restored some faith

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