radio ad for DV

we read things differently.
night again.

oh god i have actually just looked at the link to the poster. the one of a man with a black eye and a woman brandishing her stilleto! FFS!

For me the whole issue is that male violence towards women is gendered based and a result of male power and privilege. Woman to man violence, whilst it is violence between people of different genders, it does not occur as a result of gender inequality and therefore requires a totally different response. that's why i think it is soooo damaging to lump it all in together as this 'campaign' seems to have done

I don't think that's the case for a moment, but it's what you believe and nothing is going to change that. The stats on male victims are a lot closer to females than I thought ( though it is a simple stat and not very sophisticated), and to ignore it isn't beneficial to anyone.
night.

dittany and snorbs - you seem to be separating on "a lot" and a "majority", and what proportions are. The stats Snorbs refers to were an education to me a few months ago, and I googled it myself.
and dittany, you are doing exactly what you are accusing snorbs of - manipilating a circumstance to avoid an inabilty to back yourself up with stats/arguemnt, and then claiming a victim status that someone is being rude to you. Now that isn't good.

Uh-huh. Keep on coming up with those excuses reasons to avoid backing up your baseless and prejudiced assertions. You do it so well.

I'm off to bed as this is getting dull.

Snorbs, if you 'have no dispute that the majority of DV is male on female' then why are you demanding stats from Dittany? sorry, just don't get it.

I have no dispute that the majority of DV is male on female and I've never claimed otherwise.

By contrast, it was you who claimed "There are some men who are victims, but the overwhelming majority of victims are women who are being attacked by their male partners" (emphasis mine).

Which is what I called you on. And which I note you have still not produced any statistics to back up. Quelle surprise.

But that's the thing isn't it, Dittany. You don't debate. You do what you did here at 13:50:11. You throw out bald, loaded statements and then stonewall any attempts to get you to explain what lead you to say that or to otherwise back them up. You then find some reason - you don't like the tone of the questioner, or you accuse them of some agenda, or you simply flat-out refuse - to not answer those questions.

And then you start calling people "misogynist". Which I sometimes suspect, in your mind, means "someone who doesn't instantly agree with Dittany".

If you continue with your usual tactics I'm guessing that your next step will be to start throwing mud around and hoping some will stick.

That's not a debate, that's just brow-beating other people into agreeing with you.

I got it from Betty Friedan/TFM. And from the whole principle of consciousness-raising, the whole idea that women's lives are valid, what we feel is valid, what we do is interesting, not necessarily perfect or right; chucking out the whole Angel in the House/women as perfect, strange, other as opposed to human, real, part of the world. I really don't feel it's THAT far from at least some strands of feminism. But fair enough, I do struggle sometimes with why I am still calling myself a feminist, which probably means I am about to join Opus Dei or something.

Is it impossible that domestic violence has changed? That more men are being physically attacked by women?

Snorbs do you have any statistics on the outcomes of the domestic violence incidents described? How many of each sex attacked by the other needed medical treatment, for example?

oh NO sorry I namechanged for another thread, now I can't change back on this thread. Sorry.

Dittany, do you think the feminism section needs policing in itself? I don't see it as a board that requires a particular kind of behaviour?

Feminism to me is about bringing all kinds of behaviour by women into the light, precisely because women are not abnormal men, not to be denied anything or excused anything because they are defective or lesser in any way.

Dittany, feel free to demand an apology as much as you want. But as I believe you've only climbed onto this particular soap-box as a means of avoiding having to back up your baseless assertions and I was not a fraction as offensive as you have been, you're not going to get one.

Let's move on, shall we?

To answer your points in order:

a) Given the context I do not believe any apology is necessary. Certainly I do not believe I was any ruder than you routinely are to both myself and others.

b) I am demanding nothing. I thought I asked quite politely.

c) I treat other people with at least as much, and typically more, respect and kindness as they show towards me. Man or woman.

d) Thank you for the reminder that I am in the feminism section.

e) I am promoting nothing and I do not follow any particular "men's rights" agenda.

To be honest, until I started seeing it mentioned in this section I'd never even heard of "men's rights". I'm just me, with my own experiences and interests, asking you a question about published statistics on a topic related to the OP. A question that you are, of course, free to answer or not as you wish.

Dittany, I would love to be able to see where you're coming from on this score. So could you, please, point me to some verifiable statistics that back up your claim that "Men don't make up a sizeable minority of DV victims. There are some men who are victims, but the overwhelming majority of victims are women who are being attacked by their male partners."

I'd really appreciate it and I think it would really help. Thanks.