Am I being oversensitive?

Because keeping your guard "up" in terms of not drinking, is such a successful rape-avoidance strategy. Oh no, it isn't is it? The campaign's bollocks then? Whoops.

I agree also I have read that most rape victims are sober. The wording here seems deliberately neutral, so IMO they are probably using figures that include rapes where the man has been drinking, rather than the victim. In which case, it's pretty disturbing.

i'd really rather they focussed their resources on keeping known rapists off the streets.

the don't walk home alone, don't get so drunk you make poor decisions or don't have good awareness of what's going on around you etc is good advice but doesn't need to focus on rape.

there are violent criminals out there who prey on people without their wits about them and/or walking alone at night to mug and/or beat someone up far more frequently than the rapist down a dark alley. so actually this kind of advice is more relevant to males as they are far more likely to be attacked than women in these circumstances.

that's a good example nooka. in the fighting scenario as in the men who fight when they get pissed because they've lost control, become emotionally driven etc the advert is fine, relevant and worth giving as in the person could avoid their own problem caused directly by their drinking.

the rape victim of course is more like the person who happened to be sat at the bar and glassed - their drinking didn't lead directly to them being violently attacked, the person sick enough to shove a glass in a persons face did.

the only way to avoid the glass in the face would have been not to have been there in that place and time within arms reach of a violent arsehold. same as the rape victim. so unless we're advocating only arseholes and rapists go out it is senseless.

I think part of th eproblem with sex education (as with education on drugs and alcohol) is that it doesn't really focus on the most important thing about sex, which is that it should be enjoyable and fun for both (all) involved. It seems to me that if that was made more clear to both boys and girls then perhaps boys would understand that active and enthusiastic participation is a prerequisite, and that girls would get a clearer message that if you are not enjoying any part of the encounter, then the right thing to do is to stop. But I'm sure that sort of message would make a lot of people very uncomfortable.

I think anything that helps people not to binge drink would be great, but I don't think that focusing on rape in this way is at all helpful. I guess it would be more balanced if there was a corresponding ad for men along the lines of "alcohol features in (whatever large % of stats) of all fights" with the implication that if you drink too much and then get bottled or something then it's all your own fault that would at least be even handed.

i think the issue of 'consent' needs to be really explored and drummed in at secondary level sex ed. both for boys and girls.

girls to really understand that they have the right to say no, that they don't have to go through with something if they don't want to etc (think girls can often really lack confidence in this area and do more than they intended because they didn't have the confidence to stop it at the point they became uncomfortable).

and for boys to get the message across young and across clear that sex without clear consent from someone in a position to give that consent and old enough to be able to legally give consent is rape.

shows a still

Am sure there will be links on youtube etc on the campaign but got to go to bed!

Unprunes - there definitely was a campaign about it but as the law changed in 2003 then it might take a while to find it on google. Hang on I will see if I can find it

I don't have the stats SGM

However when the law changed there was a massive advertising campaign aimed at men to try and get the message across that women have to consent to sex and it is the man's responsibility to ensure that it is true consent.

There has also recently been the drink aware campaigns directed at men and women in the adverts.

Do you have a link to the advert - male or females portrayed in the advert? I can't find anything on Humberside Police website.

too pissed to say yes? don't have sex with her

Men: No consent means no sex. Go home and have a wank instead.

Hmm, I can't
Figures.

I think there was a campaign somewhere saying 'Men - don't be rapists'. I'll see if I can find it.

There isn't a specific problem with warning people about the dangers of drink.....it is linking that to rape and blaming the victim that is objectionable.

I think the poster is just trying to make you think about things. In our area it is a lot of low income people so everyone gets drunk in the house and then goes out. It involves mixing a lot of drinks, drinking fast then going out etc. I do think it has an effect and that a lot of people, predominantly women dont always think about it. I have done it myself loads been ok one minute then absolutely ridiculous the next.

I have a friend that got so drunk she woke up on my settee, she had no idea how she got there, where her stuff was including bank card, phone, passport, house keys. She couldnt remember hardly any of the night or getting back. The poster is aimed at trying to make people think about getting that drunk. I personally dont think it will work though, as drinking is just to engrained in our culture for it ever to change.

Unless you are in a taxi with someone like Worboys for a driver.....

It might be common sense to some but how come hardly anyone listens to the advice. I know I dont, I dont know many people that do and thats why everyone ends up getting that hammered week after week. Its ok if you have decent mates/partner etc but what if you get left.

I see loads of women in that state every week and have been in that state countless times. I know when reading things like this its probably is a bit silly now but never thought about it really. I only think about it now that I have a child myslef.

I know none of my friends ever think about it either. You never think anything will happen to you

snowflake -you are more at risk from the man in the taxi in your scenario than anything else. Clothing has bugger all to do with being safe.

People do not need to be told to take basic safety precautions in an advert. It is common sense - better to have the emphasis on the wrongdoer, not the victim.

Well you wouldnt leave your front door open and go down town if you lived in a busy area. I just see it the same as that. Yeah people shouldnt rape, steal, murder etc but there will always be a small proportion of people that do so best to stay safe.

You are more likely to be safe if you get a taxi home and know where you are and where you are going, than if you are in a bikini top and hot pants, lost all your stuff, have no idea where you are going and try sleeping outside half naked whilst paraletic etc.

Gotta be careful about falling down drunk in case a man trips up over you and his cock ends up in your vagina by accident.

When a lot of women go out they get so drunk they dont know what they are doing. It is worse for women than men as most women get drunk easier.

When I go out it is usually females that are so drunk they cant get up, dont know where they are, lost all their stuff, fell down the stairs, lying in the street in alleys etc so I suppose it is just warning them not to get too lairy.

We have people on the streets here who help the women who get too hammered get home as it is such a big problem in my area. They pay for taxis and everything if they need to. They also ring cabs or ring friends to help the women who are that drunk.