The demonisation of single mothers.

Historically, women have always lain around on chaise longues eating chocolate while the men did all the work and put their lives at risk in wars. Fact.

TheCrackFox Sun 05-Dec-10 19:48:00

That would be all those wars stated by, er, men. do you really think mothers where happy at sending their boys off to fight? no they fucking weren't.

Oh, and women have always worked to pay for their children. We just didn't get paid the same because we didn't have a penis.

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As far as I'm aware TheCrackFox, wasn't Queen Victoria the ruler of the largest Empire to ever exist in all of history? She presided over numerous colonial invasions, a war on the Boers in South Africa where the Brits invented concentration camps... which killed mostly women and children. She signed off on that war, as all British monarchs due except she actually had alot more power than the current monarch! Back them she could have vetoed it, she didn't.

You know Queen Victoria also passed the laws that barred women from many workplaces? Why? Women and girls were barred from doing jobs like removing rags out of unprotected and jammed industrial machinery... 9 year old boys though? Yeah, old enough and ugly enough to have their arms torn off, to die years earlier than they should from injuries sustained supporting and protecting the female members of their family.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaker_boy

Breaker boys sometimes also had their fingers amputated by the rapidly moving conveyor belts. Others lost feet, hands, arms, and legs as they moved among the machinery and became caught under conveyor belts or in gears.

Do you think these boys wanted their mothers or sisters working in places like these? If I had to choose between being a woman and a man in 19th century Britain or America... I'd much rather be a woman.

I know the thread has derailed slightly but was doing some reading for an essay the other day and was interested to see that, statistically, single parent families were as common in 1880 as they were in 1980. (1980 a bit outdated now of course, but the book was a few years old). Thought some might find it interesting :)

Not just getting bombs dropped on them - being raped by conquering troops, if they were German women.

Oh, so getting shot is an excuse but getting bombs dropped on you isn't an excuse? I guess, though, you being a Yank, you managed to miss half of the war.

Ah yes, the virgin/ whore version of womanhood.

The rest of us are in 2010 Bill.

Sorry that should say fuck conchies.

What a wonderful re-writing of history that is, women starting wars and getting men to fight them just so that we could fight conchies.

Great conspiracy theory Bill. Were the women in cahoots with the giant lizards?

TheCrackFox Sun 05-Dec-10 19:41:27

Oh, so I take it that Britains's brave squaddies absolutely did not shag any French/German/Italian/Greek Polish girls whilst they were out there? hmm

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There were plenty of French women who fucked Nazi soldiers for perks, you know what OTHER French women did to them, right? Shaved 'em bald and carved swastikas into their foreheads. As for the wives who ditched their own husbands off at war for visiting/occupying soldiers for smokes and candy... I don't have a very high opinion of them either.

As for the men, well, they were getting shot in record numbers so I can understand why alot of them might've wanted to feel the touch of a woman one last time. Still, the guys who fucked around on their wives were pretty bad too, no better way to reward the few loyal wives who remained true than to bring back french herpes... jerks.

LOL, he's funny, isn't he Truckulent?

Eaten up with hatred. We should feel pity I suppose.

"You know back in the day people used to have like 6 or 7 kids, what's the bet alot of men added several years to their working lives raising them? Their lives are so meaningless to you that you have no pity, no compassion for those men at all? Women are historically the gender who sent their men off to die while they fucked every service man in sight for a pack of cigarettes."

That would be all those wars stated by, er, men. do you really think mothers where happy at sending their boys off to fight? no they fucking weren't.

Oh, and women have always worked to pay for their children. We just didn't get paid the same because we didn't have a penis.

I take it this is an example of someone a bit threatened by feminism?

HerBeatitude Sun 05-Dec-10 19:30:39

Because the continuation of the human race is a favour women are doing for the whole human race BillHicks. In of itself, it is a Good Thing. To not believe that, is to be a misanthropist, ironically, as well as a mysogynist.

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You know back in the day people used to have like 6 or 7 kids, what's the bet alot of men added several years to their working lives raising them? Their lives are so meaningless to you that you have no pity, no compassion for those men at all? Women are historically the gender who sent their men off to die while they fucked every service man in sight for a pack of cigarettes.

HerBeatitude Sun 05-Dec-10 19:32:40

ROFL at BH's outrage about "cheating hussies".

What is the male equivalent of a cheating hussy, Bill?

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The asshole who jumps in bed with someone else's wife. Generally though, the husband doesn't come back lying about how long he has been pregnant so you can see why I'm not quite as harsh, ey. Nowadays women can choose and still often nominate the incorrect father knowing they can be tested and have results quick fast. Except nowadays, women can garnish someone's paycheck on her word alone.

Oh, so I take it that Britains's brave squaddies absolutely did not shag any French/German/Italian/Greek Polish girls whilst they were out there?

ROFL at BH's outrage about "cheating hussies".

What is the male equivalent of a cheating hussy, Bill?

Because the continuation of the human race is a favour women are doing for the whole human race BillHicks. In of itself, it is a Good Thing. To not believe that, is to be a misanthropist, ironically, as well as a mysogynist.

LeninGrad Sun 05-Dec-10 19:25:41

Sakura, the biological imperative is huge, absolutely massive culturally, which is ironic in many respects. Interestingly there was a lot of 'helping out' by male family friends that went on before, during and after the war, prior to the advent of the fertility industry.

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You mean cheating hussies across a nation backstabbed their husbands as they fought and often died to protect them from the german blitz. No one bats an eye at this, it makes me sick to my stomach.

HerBeatitude Sun 05-Dec-10 17:30:18

"how can a man have a child if there isn't a woman willing to be impregnated by him and to carry his baby."

"It's a horrible thought that a man might not be able to find a woman willing to get pregnant by him, isn't it"

And there I think you have the root of mysogyny. Men's dependence on women to procreate.

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You're right, you DO have the right to reproductive choices as a woman. I just want to know why should I pay extra taxes for someone else to exercise a right I myself do not possess?

BeerTricks

I agree with your points HB about the right to have children. And in answer to your last question, no I'm not. Not remotely interested :o