The demonisation of single mothers.

I think, since women are meant to have these superior personal and communication skills (see sexist research ad nauseam), we should get paid more for any job that involves interpersonal communication.

Far be it from me to comment on my ability to lift the weight of your beer belly and fat head but you didn't answer my question.

I was working in exactly the environment you claimed entitled men to higher pay due to the risk.
I was required to wear the same PPE.

How much extra pay do you suppose I got?

ROFL at Cleopatra.

She crucified Christ, you know. And Brian.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Executive?wasRedirected=true

This as an article about secret agents who went behind enemy lines during WWII over 3000 were women.

Trop Sun 05-Dec-10 20:28:23

At the risk of derailing the thread even more, I'm sorry Bill do you answer my question? I tried to find it but the hate in your posts is palpable and makes for difficult reading.

A woman, working in an environment you clearly feel is dangerous and entitles men to higher pay - what would you say was my 'danger money'?

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Define dangerous. If you're working construction or doing police work or any job that puts you at risk of injury regularly or death. I would have to say you're entitled to earn equal money right down to cent if you put in equal time and equal effort. However, if you're a 120 pound female firefighter that couldn't lift me to save my life... well... coughs abit

LMAO.
Feminists have been accused of many things before but living in a Pride and Prejudice dreamworld is a new one on me.

I don't feel demonised as a single mum, but then I don't read nasty newspapers or listen to the opinions of idiots. I love being a single mum (most of the time), I think I'm doing a good job and don't believe for a minute that having a man around would make us happier. I don't fit any sterotype - I have a degree, work full-time and live above the poverty line, I don't give a monkies what class I am, I'm not going to pigeon-hole myself.

Lots of my friends growing up were from single-parent households and most of them have gone on to get well-educated and have much better careers than I have as a child from a two-parent household. Sterotypes are usually total nonsense and only lazy stupid people believe them.

TheCrackFox Sun 05-Dec-10 20:19:24

A lot of men where abandoned by their DHs too.

FWIW, during the Victorian era a man was entitled to leave his children to whoever he liked. It wasn't an automatic right that a mother would keep her own children upon the death of her DH. Ah, the good old days, eh?

How far back do you want to go in history?

julius Ceasar (Cleo-fucking-patra!?!?!?!?!?!)

Hitler (Didn't Mrs. Gobbels feed her children cyanide? Forced the oldest one to swallow it because she knew it was poison.)

Napoleon (Compared to say Elizabeth 1? She had women, children and men butchered to maintain her illegal occupation of Ireland.)

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Clearly because leaving children to a single mother was considered cruel as if she were anything but rich she either couldn't do the same PHYSICAL labour as a man to earn what she needed to support them or was protected by the first of the workplace safety laws.

You feminists live in a dream world where the 19th century was all Pride and Prejudice and men discriminated against women for the hell of it. Most people lived in abject poverty and even among the poor it was the man who was expected to work to earn a living, to send his boys to work to help support their sisters.

The only reason we live in such a comfortable, peaceful world (westerners) is because the men of our societies wanted to make life better for their families, for their daughters and sons.

"Great grand father was Royal Navy in WW1 and WW2, grandfather was Royal Navy WW2. I have another grand father who fought to hold off the Japs at Papua New Guinea in the Australian infantry, my great grand father on that side fought in the British army, joined up with some lost Aussies in WW1 in flanders after a brief firefight, LOL."

And? i had tonnes of relatives who fought in WW1/WW11. The big difference is that they weren't misogynist arseholes like you?

And no women died in munition factories?

And no women, throughout history, ever died giving birth to a man's baby? Oh, no, sorry billions of women have died or been maimed - still no big deal. Or is bravery only something that men do?

Judging by your outdated attitudes Bill, you yourself fought in the Boer war.

Oh BIllhicks is obviously a needledick who's lousy in bed and no fun for a woman to be around and therefore gets dumped all the time, hence the whining.

I think that (parent or not) one of the biggest threats to the patriarchy is the single woman who has loads of sex with loads of men because she chooses to. We won't be property and we are not interested in doing one particular man's housework and remembering his gran's birthday in exchange for Not Being Single.
THe whole heteromonogamy thing is basically about the 'right' some men think exists for each man - the right to have a woman dedicated to serving him.

At the risk of derailing the thread even more, I'm sorry Bill do you answer my question? I tried to find it but the hate in your posts is palpable and makes for difficult reading.

A woman, working in an environment you clearly feel is dangerous and entitles men to higher pay - what would you say was my 'danger money'?

TheCrackFox Sun 05-Dec-10 19:57:14

Oh, so getting shot is an excuse but getting bombs dropped on you isn't an excuse? I guess, though, you being a Yank, you managed to miss half of the war.

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Great grand father was Royal Navy in WW1 and WW2, grandfather was Royal Navy WW2. I have another grand father who fought to hold off the Japs at Papua New Guinea in the Australian infantry, my great grand father on that side fought in the British army, joined up with some lost Aussies in WW1 in flanders after a brief firefight, LOL.

I suppose no men died in the blitz then, hey? Nah, they had to put up with both risks to their health proudly.

Hadn't thought of desertion - probably because we were talking about wars ! But yes that makes even more sense!

Jude the Obscure deals with that issue, of no divorce for poor people.

Ahh I thought your post was a bit tongue-in-cheek mw/ssm!

I thought it was scottishmummy
btw loved the crap spelling. absolutely perfect.

Scallops, there was a massive amount of desertion that went on in the past. Men just up and left and went to another county, leaving their wives without even the status of widowhood.

Did anyone see that episode of Who do you think you are with Kim Cattrall on it? One of her relatives was abandoned by her father, who went and lived in another county and had another family, while her relative was brought up in abject poverty and the stigma of not knowing whether her father was alive or dead.

It was quite common before the advent of easy divorce.

(am SSM really, but have just realised this alias isn't going to work because the reality of misogynist wankery is just as bad as anything my limited satirical imagination can come up with)

A lot of men where abandoned by their DHs too.

FWIW, during the Victorian era a man was entitled to leave his children to whoever he liked. It wasn't an automatic right that a mother would keep her own children upon the death of her DH. Ah, the good old days, eh?

I think I have stepped back a century!

Bertie I suspect that most of the single parents in 1880 were as a result of death? Not because the women had the positive affrontery to... wait for it... divorce their husbands or...even worse...not marry them in the first place (or even have a relationship with them).

Gosh I feel faint now just suggesting that - must go and have a chocolate bar on my chaise longue!

He would like that because he would convince himself it was female aliens. They aren't that desperate.

Have you ever been kidnapped by aliens and subjected to an anal probe, Bill?

How far back do you want to go in history?

julius Ceasar

Napoleon

Hitler

99% of wars were started by men.

Bill is right about everything. You girls know nothing.