The demonisation of single mothers.

If we can't pin it on his mum we have the next best thing - Eva Braun. On no account should a man be held to account if he does something baaadd. However, for a man, if it is a genuinely impressive achievement then, of course, he can take full credit.

Just looking back to where the thread was before BH took hold, I don't think there is a human right to family as such (e.g. right to procreate). Article 8 of the European Convention of Human Rights offers general protection for a person?s private and family life, home and correspondence from arbitrary interference by the State - this has led to cases where the right to privacy has been extended and also where the UK has had to change legislation to permit transgendered people to change their birth certificate to allow them to marry.

I don't know that Article 8 has ever been successfully used to argue, for example, for fairness/consistency against an NHS Primary Care Trust who won't give a resident patient IVF when they might have had a different and better deal in another NHS PCT.

LadyBiscuit - I think the right refers to enjoying family life (once created e.g. right to live together can limit a state's deportation rights against illegal and criminal immigrants) and not a right to create a family.

Hitler was a woman you know.

Or alterntively: it was all Hitler's mother's fault.

MRA's don't just want a fair deal.

They want women to stop demanding that we be accepted as half of humanity and that therefore human societies should be organised for our benefit as well as that of the other half of humanity.

And mostly they hate women and think we should only be allowed to participate in society, if we behave like men. As is clear from your posts Bill.

I'd rather be demonised as a single mum than stuck with someone like YOU Bill. surely a wind up.

sethstarkaddersmum Sun 05-Dec-10 21:17:17

Bill thinks the SCUM manifesto is literal!
(falls off chair laughing).

bless his little cotton socks. Bill, when you grow up someone might tell you all about satire.

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Yeah, I'm sure Hilter would be laughed at today if he had've been female and didn't get his way. Mein Kampf would be a book mostly forgotten about except by racists who are used to seeing people bring it up.

I'm also sure Andy Warhol was laughing when the author shot him, that was joke too right? No chance that the woman was a pyscho who happened to be a feminist?

HerBeatitude Sun 05-Dec-10 21:18:22

ha ha ha we all know SCUM was a piss take

And anti feminists always cite Erin Pizzey

So Bill, how do you think women and men could live respectfully and happily together?

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Okay, well as far as Erin Pizzey goes what has she done that I don't know about? Obviously, you have guys have a side too.

Women and men can live quite nicely together as we speak, I'm quite happy living with my gf. I don't expect her to act like some ancient female rolemodel of virtue and she doesn't expect me to be a paragon of chivalry. We split everything 50/50.

MRA's just want the same deal when it comes to government funding, cancer research and the legal system. I don't see why I should cough tax dollar up for breast cancer research when I have a grandfather dead from prostate cancer, a cancer ignored because it only affects men.

Women's groups are afraid of MRA's because they're afraid they'll lose money to competing men's groups. Even the totally legit guys who aren't just out for abit of a laugh and try to show that they're willing to work together are laughed at and are told that 50% of the population don't deserve the same services!

Trop Sun 05-Dec-10 21:08:37

But you weren;t talking about workload before Bill, you were talking about dangerous environments versus the office.

You are squirming out of it because you know you are talking nonsense.

I'm bored of you now.

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What are you trying to say then? People are trying to get me to guess their payrates here from what I read. My response was simple two people doing the same job should earn the same amount of money given the same workload. What's wrong with that?

A male and a female office worker get paid the same amount where I come from. A male and female plumber get paid the same amount too. But the cop certainly earns more than the office worker because they have a dangerous job. What's the problem? I said the paygap was due to facts like how men tend to do the majority of dirty and dangerous work that pay a premimum over cushy data-entry positions and the like. Which part of what I said don't you argee with?

ha ha ha we all know SCUM was a piss take

And anti feminists always cite Erin Pizzey

So Bill, how do you think women and men could live respectfully and happily together?

Bill thinks the SCUM manifesto is literal!
(falls off chair laughing).

bless his little cotton socks. Bill, when you grow up someone might tell you all about satire.

You've got boring now Bill. Anyone who relies on Wikipedia to back up an argument is a fool.

Oh dear. I didn't think I'd have to do this quite so soon but....I'm going to have to outsource my disagreement with Bill Hicks to PDD and have done with it so I can get on with enjoying the thread (lurking at the moment trying to think of something insightful to say...may be lurking a while yet)

Other posters on this thread, I invite you to outsource your disagreement with anything BH comes up with to this person instead: Privilege Denying Dude. It will ultimately have the same effect (as banging your head against a brick wall repeatedly) without the effort of having to type a reasoned response.

HerBeatitude Sun 05-Dec-10 20:59:26

feminists do not denigrate progressive men.

They denigrate men like you Bill - who are anything but progressive.

I suppose the SCUM manifesto was aimed at men like me too, huh?

I remember that particular manifesto urging feminists to kill male babies in their cots, replace males with spermbanks and then artificial sperm altogether. It also encouraged turning men into homosexuals to hasten our destruction, does that sound progressive and liberal to you? How about the women with signs at every damn feminist rallies saying "All men are rapists"? They're not denigrating or demonizing men at all?

How about the feminists who ran Erin Pizzey, the founder of the first British women's refugee out of town with bomb threats, physical confrontations and constant harassment? You know what she did? All she said was that of the first 100 women to enter her shelter, 60 or more of those women were as violent or more violent than the men they left. That didn't fit with their agenda, they couldn't control her so they destroyed her.

Proof: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey

Sorry I mean 1 in 4 families are headed by single parents.

90% of them mothers, 10% fathers.

Why do you think so many women choose the stigma of single parenthood Bill? What do you think men could do to stop this?

But you weren;t talking about workload before Bill, you were talking about dangerous environments versus the office.

You are squirming out of it because you know you are talking nonsense.

I'm bored of you now.

Basically what he's saying is that as long as women are like men, they can be allowed to live and work and function.

But if they're like women, they ... er... shouldn't.

I think.

Oh Bill, you know pitifully little history.
It's quite sad how weirdly skewed your version is.

limp wristed prissy girl WTF????

So Bill, why do you think single mothers are demonised by society?

And why do you think that in spite of the demonisation, 1 in 4 women choose to join such an unpopular club?

What do you think men and women should do in order to live together happily and respectfully (because unlike you, that's what most men and women want)?

Trop Sun 05-Dec-10 20:48:16

Far be it from me to comment on my ability to lift the weight of your beer belly and fat head but you didn't answer my question.

I was working in exactly the environment you claimed entitled men to higher pay due to the risk.
I was required to wear the same PPE.

How much extra pay do you suppose I got?

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I would assume given the same workload, you earned the same as a man at your workplace.

My girlfriend is a tomboy, did weights in HS, plays rugby, does taekwando and is almost as strong as me... I would expect her to get the same pay as me for the same work because I KNOW she can do it. She's not some limp-wristed prissy girl and I LOVE it. :p

HOWEVER... her older sister is a limp-wristed prissy girl and I wouldn't expect her to be able to perform as well physically as my girlfriend who as I've found is one of a kind. _

LOL at your assumptions about what we know, what we "realise" adn not Bill.

Bill MEN DIED and will continue to die in illegal wars they create because they haven't got the ability to reason and negotiate away from conflict.

Perhaps instead of banging on about the sacrifice in history you should be thinking about what you are going to do in future because you are behind the times.

feminists do not denigrate progressive men.

They denigrate men like you Bill - who are anything but progressive.

And women died fighting for freedom too.

sethstarkaddersmum Sun 05-Dec-10 20:41:18

LMAO.
Feminists have been accused of many things before but living in a Pride and Prejudice dreamworld is a new one on me.

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Feminists denigrate the sacrifices of progressive men throughout history by suggesting that they have never acted in ANYONE'S interest but their own EVER. They also sully the names of men long dead, men who worked in the most appalling conditions to support their families. People had to die to secure the rights we take for granted at work, men DIED to get a TWELVE HOUR day! Men DIED for safety equipment, men DIED for the right to a decent day's pay.

"Women couldn't vote back in the day of the rule of thumb!" I've heard this one so many times, yet none of these women realize that nine year old boys were regularly losing arms, legs, fingers and hands in dangerous machinery and that the franchise was restricted to rich landowners and nobility until WW1 in some places! They didn't realize that men had to die protesting for rights that women have never doubted they will have for the rest of their lives.