Object to Suit Supply which offers pornography along with its suits

Why do all these porn monkeys turn up on Mumsnet's Feminism section? You've got to wonder, really.

ha ha, he thinks it's ok to misrepresent us but he gets all wound up when he thinks we are misrepresenting him....

I love the reasoning:
I am a man and I think porn is ok, so ok in fact that I don't mind my daughters seeing it.
Therefore you lot are wrong and porn is ok.

I agree ISNT you can't engage with a man who thinks taking his daughters to look at the prositutes in the windows is ok.

Specially when these are his first posts on MN anyway so he's clearly just come to tell the silly women porn is great....

sorry, reading that back it doesn't make sense the way I meant it.

I mean; if I was asked by my preschool aged child there and then in the shopping centre I really don't know what the middle ground answer would be. Not that there isn't a middle ground answer; which I'm sure there is.

I'm wondering what you'd say to a preschool child who asks about the skirt one actually.

Would you brush it off and hope like hell no one ever behaved inappropriately with them now that they've seen images that normalise it and you've dismissed it as something normal. Or sit them down and tell them that a lot of people are horrible perverts and not to be trusted and they must tell you if anyone ever behaves like that towards them. I can't think of a middle ground on it though I don't have a problem talking about sex at an age appropriate level for my dd usually - only the extremes of normalise or scare.

Thanks, I'm proud of how my family has worked out. Why try to make up what I said to my children when we lived in Holland to suit your own argument? We said what we thought was best at the time; nothing like what you dreamt up, (sitting there in your pink velour jogging suit... )They were under no illusion it was 'a bad thing'.

TBH, the bigger embarrassment was explaining to the children WTF was going on with the large groups of UK hen and stag nights.

And hey, I didn't start off with a neat appraisal etc. I started off by saying I thought the models were all stunning, rather than minging. That's all. I just have a different opinion than yours sorry. No need to make me out as something I'm not. Chill. Do you all agree about everything all of the time?

Anyway, enjoy the rest of Sat night. I'm off to prepare a great meal for darling wife, girls on sleepovers, I think my luck might be in! Now if only I could remember where I hid that Porn for Women dvd...

And an even better question, why engage with such people? There's no point is there. If some men believe that showing pornographic images to children is a worthy activity, then there's not going to be much common ground with the people here in the feminist topic.

The other interesting point about the man on the bus, is that women, and especially girls, through socialisation and pictures such as these, understand that when men touch them in this way and there is little/nothing they can do about it. Very few women find themselves able to protest. The reaction many girls and women adopt is the one depicted in these pictures - they detach themselves from the situation.

These pictures are really disturbing. If a man does something to a woman and she does not react, and seems totally detached, the message to the man should be to stop doing it. These images give a big go-ahead to men who get this response.

Flipping heck, I am glad I wasn't taken to a parade of prostitutes when I was younger by my parents! Definitely one way to normalise the abuse of women from a young age. I don't know of many jobs where the handbook contains advice on injecting your own vagina with anaesthetic because you might be in pain but need to keep working.

I think a better question might be, why do some people think that it is necessary and desirable to expose children to concepts such as adult sexuality, prostitution, bondage? And why these concepts are always presented from the point of view of stereotypical male sexuality (men dominant, women passive, prostitutes are female customers are male, females are not supposed to enjoy sex, sex is for men)?

and don't forget they do this when they haven't actually read more than a couple of posts and have jumped to completely the wrong conclusion about what people have said.
But they still think they have something to say that is worth listening to. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Yeah, Beachcomber.

By the way, did anyone miss the inference that Dutch women = fabulous, liberated, free thinking babes while British women = uptight, frigid, repressed prudes?

Thought I ought to point that out as women are often too busy putting on make ups and thinking about shopping to pick up on such subtleties.

I am confused as to why I have earned comment of the day.

None of those pictures show women who are actively consenting or appear to be enjoying what is being done to them. That contains a message about male and female sexuality to the viewer. Why do you think it is desirable to show children pictures of people in sexual congress, where the women are not depicted to be enjoying themselves, and some of which are ambiguous as to whether the women are consenting. If a man sticks his hand up a girls skirt on a bus, he is only behaving in the same way as one of the men in these posters, and if the posters are on public display, then that behaviour must be fine, surely.

Although it's probably a lesson that has already been learnt in a family where a man takes his pre-teen daughters to look at prostitutes on display, and explains to them that they are there for men to look at, decide which one they want to fuck most, and then go and fuck them in exchange for some cash.

You have a very strange family set-up, my friend.

And often high-handed and patronising.

What always makes me snort is the way the men who come on, to tell us that we women are wrong in how we feel about women's issues, always often start off with a neat little appraisal of how well (or not) they have judged us of being able to use our brains.

"a range of comments and views, some well thought out, some plain daft"

It is just so entitled.

It is even snortier when they go on to spectacularly miss the point or throw their weight about in the manner of the oblivious of privilege.

Then, of course, it gets tedious.

If a man behaves badly, it's always a womans fault Leningrad - did you not know that?

Personally, I'm delighted that a man has taken time out of his no doubt hectic schedule to tell a bunch of women on the internet that they are WRONG.

Thanks be to these valiant knights-errant.

No, nothing could ever be the fault of women...we all know that.

Hi, a range of comments and views, some well thought out, some plain daft (sorry ISNT),which I don't agree with as you would expect.

I've walked through The Walletjes in Amsterdam with my wife and children, going to a restaurant early Sat eve. Sex shops and window girls, supermarkets and restaurants all were there, no problem. Plenty of other families there too, so please don't be too shocked. My girls were interested in all they saw (age 10 and 12 then) and good conversations ensued. I'm much happier that my girls have a great awareness of all these things and will hopefully behave more like Dutch women later in their life (where there is a fraction of the number of abortions, far lower % of STD's, an older age of 1st sex experience despite a very low age of consent, etc etc). Too many sexually repressed folks to do much about things over here I'm afraid. Visit en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_incidence_of_teenage_pregnancy Compare and contrast UK and Netherlands. Doubt there's too many over there getting their knickers in a twist just because sex sells clothes. You do know Suit Supply are Dutch don't you?

My enjoyment of porn doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. I live with a woman who loves porn, although in your company would probably say she didn't. The women I work with (I'm a nurse) have a great attitude to sex/porn and will be laughing about this.

I didn't see any photo of choking or raping; maybe we see what we want to see when we look at these images...

The ridiculous quote of the day...

"When some bloke sticks his hand up your daughters skirt on the bus for no apparent reason, maybe you will change your view about whether the prevalence of this type of image, where the women don't look interested, or as if they are enjoying themselves, or even as if they are definitely consenting, and where the women are present for men to look at and do things to, and see then whether this is all a bit of harmless fun."

deserves the ridiculous answer of the day....

No, that wouldn't change my opinion one little bit. We don't know why the bloke did that. Maybe his mum didn't bring him up very well and teach him how to respect women...

"Suit Supply, are your suits well made and not stitched together by diseased toddlers from central asia? If so, that?s probably a great reason to buy one ? but don?t try to appeal to me with brand imaging that implies it?s going to turn me into some sort of nonchalant, grinning, serial fingering, perverted, upskirt enthusiast as if that?s something I should be aspiring to, please."

He's brilliant

Good blog post by a man who is sick of being marketed to as though he is a dickhead with no head.

www.lesspermanent.com/?p=1166

Nice to see that some men are annoyed by how insulting this crap is to them too.

A lot of men don't 'get' it when women have a problem being seen primarily as sex objects. My DP doesn't see the issues with things that I see (I educate him ), even he was shocked at this ad campaign though. Anyway, point is that just because a bloke doesn't see what the big deal is, doesn't make him at all qualified to say it isn't so and it doesn't erase the issue.