Why sexual abuse should be taken seriously...

I don't think 'men stop sexually assaulting' is going to cover it somehow.

Obese people, stop overeating.

People in debt stop spending money that you don't have.

"I am all for women telling their stories but I don't like the picture that is being painted on that thread."

What do you mean by this?

Is there a way women can tell stories about this particular experience without painting a similar picture?

programmed?

i know that this world doesn't think i am human

but this is the first that i have heard that i am a machine

chibi we are programmed to be more selfless than men. Lucky us.

but they have urges!

and women let them get away with it!

or something!

i despair, i really do

Women, as a supposedly civilised society we have a long way to go.

Know that you are not alone.

Know that you do not have to put up with this.

Raise your sons to be more civilised.

re bashing it is where your logic leads, have an urge, follow it through just so long as you can get away with it

i operate under a different system

i reckon my 18 month old is human, and real, and can be hurt, so whatever stupid momentary urge i feel i need to consider his realness, his humanity first

it takes precedence over any urge i might feel

clearly others feel differently

and still others are ready to turn themselves inside out to justify it

so shut up and serve dinner already

your stories of rape, assault and degredation are making men look bad

now slap on a smile and forget about it

or something

gee whiz it's lucky women aren't human

and that you can do whateeeever you like with them

chibi - you have the urge to bash your 18 month old in the face?

These things can eat away at you and so much sadness at the hands of men on one thread is bound to have consequences. It seeps into your psyche.

I am all for women telling their stories but I don't like the picture that is being painted on that thread. I feel that in the end it will do no one any good. Maybe it's just me .

so the only reason i don't bash my 18 month old in the face when he is being annoying is because i think i won't get away with it

really

bit nihilstic don't you think

Yeah but Lenin, do you tell your DC that they may have such urges?

On your point about women not being human chibli , we are the weaker sex, right. Is it not possible that these men, the ones with the urges, do it because they can get away with it. And that just as many women if they thought they could get away with it would do it?

I am afraid that the other thread is fostering a kind of male-loathing mindset IYKWIM.

He thinks that the boy, is behaving in a way many boys, who grow to be good men, have behaved.

agree about many boys doing this

less sure about them growing up to be good men

thank fuck women aren't human, or people could get really angry about the sort of shit they have to suck up and smile

pheeeeew indeed

Do we talk to our DC about 'urges'? I tell mine it's OK to feel angry but it's not OK to hit. I have told my 9 year old DD that sometimes adults or other children behave inappropriately in a physical with DC and that that is wrong. Should I be telling my DC that they may have inappropriate sexual urges that they mustn't act on?

My friend didn't say it was harmless, just that it was not unusual and if dealt with properly then both of the DCs could come out of it without long term damage.

He thinks that the boy, is behaving in a way many boys, who grow to be good men, have behaved.

He said that how you deal with the boy is extremely important and should be handled by someone who is trained.

He thinks Larry's points were all valid but that as my friend is connected to SS he thinks that people are underestimating what help they would be given. That those in child protection would help both of them and not be concerned with punishment.

I don't think the other thread is irrational at all. But I do think that some rationalisation could prevent it from descending into something very dark indeed. There cannot be that many sexually deviant/depraved people out there, can there?

About the urges, I agree that people have the choice on whether or not to act on them but at the same time the other thread is not populated by people who lives have been 'maimed' because of the wrong choices of others. Choice is for the civilised among us.

So whilst I'm not saying that these people have no choice I am saying that they are compelled by something, I think.