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the use of the word 'alleged'

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foreverastudent · 27/10/2010 14:30

I was driving in my care and heard on the radio a quick news report of an '11 year old boy who was sexually assaulted'. I'm sorry I don't have a link (can't remember the station/time) but I noted the absence of the word 'alleged'. AFAICR whenever I've heard similar news reports (female victims) they always use the word 'alleged'.

Was this case different because male rape/sexual assault victims are to be believed whereas female ones aren't?

It really bugs me when they use that word. They should either use it for all crime victims or none.

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sixpercenttruejedi · 28/10/2010 09:48

This use of alleged really irritates me. It seems really obviously designed to undermine the victims credibility. Shouldn't it be 'alleged rapist'? As in..."a girl was raped...the alleged rapist"
It's the suspect that has yet to be proven guilty, so alleged fits better.

AliceWorld · 27/10/2010 21:27

Not fraud or embezzlement or just theft?

A definition of robbery

thisisyesterday · 27/10/2010 21:20

um... that would still be a robbery

AliceWorld · 27/10/2010 21:15

Nope, what if one of the employees had set it up to look like a robbery to cover an inside job?

I don't think many bank robberies would be that, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility. It sets a dangerous precedent to have some crimes that are definitely crimes, and some are subjective crimes. Who decides which is which and on what basis?

thisisyesterday · 27/10/2010 21:09

well i think it would be fairly clear if a bank had been robbed... don't you?

AliceWorld · 27/10/2010 20:41

What like when people pretend they have been burgled in order to claim on their insurance? Hmm

I can't think of any crime where you can see at the outset it has definitely happened.

lal123 · 27/10/2010 20:38

an "alleged" rape is different from a burglary. With a burglary it is usually clear that the illegal act has happened - its just they don't know who did it. With an "alleged" rape the rape itself has not yet been proven. The assumption should NOT be that the victim WAS raped - that turns the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing on it's head. In some cases though it is pretty clear cut that a rape has taken place - and then the news stories will say "a girl was raped..."

Hassled · 27/10/2010 20:30

I think you'd have to assume the case had already gone to trial and the assailant found guilty.

But yes, you're right - a house is burgled, the suspect is alleged to have burgled it (prior to conviction). And it should be the same for any sexual assault or rape - the assumption should be the victim was raped, the suspect is the alleged rapist. I can see that legally it's far more complicated than that though.

thisisyesterday · 27/10/2010 20:28

i think they do use it for all crimes don't they?

the "alledged robbers" etc etc

the thing is you KNOW if a bank has been robbed. it isn't alledged. it has happened. but you can have alledged robbers.

if someone has been raped, until it is proven in court then it HAS to be alledged.

dittany · 27/10/2010 20:26

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EvilAntsAndMiasmas · 27/10/2010 15:34

I don't imagine that they can judge the evidence at this stage - surely that's up to the CPS/judge/jury isn't it?

Would be interested to know more about this - so often seems to be some poor girl left crying in torn up clothes and she was "allegedly" assaulted. No, she was assaulted. Just like people are burgled. And killed. And mugged. Not allegedly mugged.

anastaisia · 27/10/2010 15:27

Is it because there was evidence of the assult?

I can imagine there being a distinction made between case where there is evidence of sexual assult and a case where there is an allegation without conclusive evidence. For both males and females.

In either situation if a person was accused they would still have to say allegedly committed the crime wouldn't they? Until proven guilty?

It would be interesting to know if the evidence is the same when we hear 'female was allegedly sexually assulted' or 'male was sexually assulted' or not.