Marks and Spencer support new Hooters in Bristol, #2

Will find a quote on the origins of misandry. Apparently it's been coined fairly recently, which is why it has been "made up".
In language, generally, words are not made up, they come about through the evolution of the language. BUt misandry is different, from what I have heard. will try to get that quote for you

Just backtracking a bit as I've been off the post for 24 hours, but in response to Mumsnet HQ replying to their decision to keep M&S in the LGBG campaign, JessinAvalon said:

"Thanks Kate for the update from MNHQ. I understand MNHQ position.

I would still urge people to continue to let M&S know that some of us are unhappy with the decision they have taken. It will hopefully make them think more carefully about their commercial decisions in future."

I agree - we need to let M&S know that we're not going to forget about this.

I'm saying "hatred of men" equals a prostitute who can't handle being raped anymore

And "hatred of women" equals "let's think of the most disgusting way to kill a woman, do it, and make lots of films about it for other misogynists to toss themselves off over"

Not equivalent, are they?

You said misogyny is a made up word I am just saying all words are made up, people make a word to describe a meaning.

But by saying the word is made up are you saying that 'hatred' of men does not exist?

And if you readily accept the existance of misanthropy and misogyny why would you reject the word misandry.

Sakura
I said that misandry is not part of society to the extent of misogyny, I accept that.

Misandry exists.
But it is not the equivalent of misogyny, which is what its "supporters" are attempting to suggest.
There is no female equivalent to a serial prostitute rapist and murderer, or a "female" Max Hardcore, who enjoys inflicting pain and humiliation on the opposite sex, and who gets lots of kudos from society, and lots of money for doing it. Misandry is, more often than not, a woman protesting against living under patriarchy i.e a prostitute who has been repeatedly raped by her pimp and punters mivght "not like men". That's misandry.

Same here, I'm afraid

With you up to "all words are made up", but it gets a bit garbled thereafter.

I have no idea what that first sentence means Saltatrix, sorry.

I've already commented on that thread I agree misandry is a made up word....but then all words are made up but that those not mean what it describes is not true.

Misandry is not instutionalised as misogyny (i am sure you know what I mean by this) but ofc it exists. Misanthropy and misogyny exist then unless you are saying there are no people who hate men then I am not sure where you are going.

Thanks, will take a look at that.

Tbh, I've not seen anything that could be described as 'misandry' here.

Ha - that was for David actually Jess, but is worth a read by anybody. :)

I'll check out that thread, Elephants - thanks!

Not sure why I'm bothering, but this was a nice thread in Dadsnet where stuff like that was discussed.

Never used the word myself, but id be interested to know why its 'made up'?

Now who else do we know round here who spells "misogyny" and made-up-word "misandry" like that?

Misogyny.

Better add that to the spell-checker on my phone

It is pretty funny in a way. Like you're supposed to think "oh, I thought that women were objectified and judged too much for their looks, and that hooters was feeding that attitude. But now you've called me ugly you've totally disproved my point..."

I've just been thinking that we should perhaps be grateful that Hooters didn't manage to get the Bristol and Cardiff outlets open in time for the Ryder Cup.

After all, the Welsh Assembly is convinced that it will cause a spike in sex trafficking to satisfy the demands of Tig... er... thousands of depraved golf fans. Surely these bastards would also be looking for some casual mysoginy with their beer and wings. We should at least be thankfully that they won't find any of that!

Yes, it was all rather ironic. Especially the opinion piece which described us spitting and ranting for doing nothing more than setting up a petition and e-mailing the Council!

The comments directed at anti-Hooters campaigners below the article were some of the most vitriolic I've ever read. It does all become pretty unoriginal though after the second or third "ugly feminist" insult, I found it all quite amusing.

I know Jess, it's amazing how people can claim to be descending saviour-like to offer us some of their pure untarnished wisdom, and yet that wisdom/alternative viewpoint so often takes the form of "haha you jealous bitches". Call me fussy but I was expecting more of these sages.

Sounds like the siege mentality is building up nicely.

Aw Jess, I don't want to suck up but it is great that you are braving all this. It's not easy to put yourself up as the one to pick one who Hates Boobies or whatever.

Btw, Elephants, meant to say thanks for this! No, it's not been a fun ride so far. Some of the abuse has been pretty unbelievable - people are calling us militant, spitting and ranting whilst at the same time calling us every name under the sun. Someone even wished that we were "six foot under" on one newspaper article! And we are told that it's all in the interest of offering a different viewpoint....which is fine but I don't see how calling me a "rabid crone" or a "hag" is a different viewpoint on Hooters!

Oh well, all good practice for the continued campaign and future ones!

Middle aged? You mean, like MumofRachel, who, at 32, the Hooters manager described as 'older'?

I suppose we're both nearing the halfway point of our 'three score years and ten', so technically you could call us middle aged.

Also, its in the news today that the 'mid life crisis' is most likely to begin in the mid thirties. Apparently, the new way to spot one is to look out for portly lycra-clad men riding expensive flashy bicycles.

Not sure how a mid-life crisis manifests itself in the stereotypical woman, any ideas?

Thanks also to Justine for talking to the press 2 weeks ago. It's good to know that MNHQ is also unhappy with the decision that Marks and Spencer have taken.

They told me on the phone that they were considering issuing a statement in response to all the complaints. That would be appreciated. I was also told that it may appear that M&S are just brushing this under the carpet but they said they aren't. However, it does very much look as if that's the case. Disappointing!

Thanks Kate for the update from MNHQ. I understand MNHQ position.

I would still urge people to continue to let M&S know that some of us are unhappy with the decision they have taken. It will hopefully make them think more carefully about their commercial decisions in future.

Kate, sorry.