Is it easier to be a feminist if you are a lesbian?

although I realize I did mention "shooting" but I think I was confusing that with a sneeze

or something

saF, I know the argument you're talking about, it's in Greer's The Whole WOman, and of course it's absolutely true

But you're talking about something different to me.

YOu're talking about the fertilization process

I'm talking about the egg sticking on the lining of the womb, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the sperm.
BUt if the egg happens to be very low in the cervix as it often is in the case of IVF, the chances of it attatching itself in the area around the cervix is higher.
The place where the attaches itself to the lining of the womb is the place where the placenta begins to grow.

In placenta praevia it literally grows over the cervix.

Considering the fertility industry is capitalist driven there's no reason for us to doubt the figures of higher incidences of placenta praevia in IVF. In fact, I should imagine the complications of IVF are massively downplaid

When I was a kid we had two lesbians come and stay with us for a while. One was big and butch like (to me anyway, I found her a bit scary) and the other was slight and feminine (I can't actually remember her so much). I would have been maybe 8 or 9 perhaps. My mother explained lesbianism to me in a totally rejecting men type of way, along the we are all on a gay-straight spectrum but some people have had bad experiences with men and chosen women instead. Her views on sex were very negative, I'm not sure she thought it could be enjoyable, and I don't think she actually fancied my father at all although she obviously loved/loves him very much.

I that really so sAf? How fantatsic. I recall ds when small being glued to a bit of film in the Natural History Museum which was all about the race of the sperm to get to the egg and burrow it's way in (he didn't pick up it was a loop). I love the idea that it might be the other way around, although I thought that healthy sperm had wigglier tails as part of the whole survival of the fittest thing?

I have to say I've never fancied Jonny Depp. Way too small and pretty for me. In movies I only really find tall, dark and hairy men of interest, ideally going though fairly tragic circumstances or otherwise mysteriously unhappy or pensive. So Aragorn (but not Viggo).

dh likes Jonny Depp. In fact if either of us were homosexually orientated it would be him really.

I meant sperm donations, and like you said the success rate is not all that high and it's expensive.

but the higher rate of placenta praevia (when the placenta grows over the cervix, and can be fatal for the mother) is because the egg didn't stick in the right place in the lining of the womb. The fertilized egg stuck lower down in the womb, next to the cervix

There is a higher incidence of this complication in IVF

The other reason I don't like all this is because doctors are beginning to lump women who conceived naturally and IVF women together and putting ALL women in the "at risk" bracket, which is not good for women and smacks of control

THe reason I'm not keen on the fertility industry is because it's almost entirely based on capitalist values

ok the shooting thing sounds like rubbish when I read it back

But the lower than 20% success rate is def a fact

haha, no the sperm shoots into the womb
60 miles an hour or something

or is that a sneeze?

ANyway, it shoots higher up into the fallopian tubes sometimes so when the egg comes down it has already had the signal that it has been fertilized, and sticks in the right place, apparently.

Not sure exactly of the figures, but I did read that IVF pregnancies have more complications

oh, and the problem of not knowing whether you're mating with someone blood related if there's a high incidence of ivf in a community

I don't think there's a shortage of sperm, isn't there, like, millions in a man's cum.

THe problem with IVF is the lower than 20% success rate and the subsequent problems in pregnancy, PLacenta praevia is more common apparently because in intercourse the sperm is shot inside really powerfully, and the egg sticks in a more natural place in the womb

sAF even with IVF there is still a shortage of sperm so it certainly wouldn't be an option for masses to do it.

I agree EAP

did I imply black men were less attractive to women because they're more typically masculine? On the contrary! So I think our original hypothesis might be out the window sAF

i think it may make it easier to be a feminist without also being a hypocrite...

but then again, as pointed out alrady women can be mysognist too.

during the seventies the whole 'you can't be a feminist if you get married/ have kids' made the movemnt look rather ridiculos though - it made it look impractical, an idealism wishing to put itslf beyond attainability.

def homoerotic

In Asia though, men are more femininely "beautiful" (high cheekbones, smooth skin, slim build). You could say that caucasian women have more masculine traits, especially height, cheekbones, jawline, and black women and men are both more masculine looking again. It's not a coincidence that the majority of Olympic athletes are black and not Asian

Interesting we both thought of Johnny Dep. It could be because he's not a traditionally patriarchy-made masculine character, but is in fact beautiful. Maybe women are just as visual as men and all the he-men we see on-screen are patriarchy's repressed homosexual fantasies