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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do you think men and women are 'of equal value but different' or actually 'the same'?

59 replies

TrillianAstra · 18/08/2010 09:22

Just curious.

I'd go for option a.

Not very different, and on any one axis of difference the differences are small and the range is large, but I think there are average differences.

e.g. men are taller than women but if I took the next 10 men and then next 10 women who walked down the street the odds are that some of the women would be taller than some of the men

OP posts:
ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/08/2010 16:36

That's why Michael Moore put a page of contact details for sperm banks and stepladder sellers in one of his books, LI Grin

LackingInspiration · 18/08/2010 16:31

I am short, and if I can't reach something, I much prefer to ask a woman who is taller to help, than a man. Asking a man makes me feel inferior - asking a woman doesn't.

Anyway, that digression aside, I think a). Not different in that we are differently able, but clearly we have different physical attributes. I think maybe it's a case of 'more men than women will be good at XXX' but that doesn't mean that only men will be good at it and that only men should have a chance of doing it.

msrisotto · 18/08/2010 16:23

Neurosexism is responsible for a lot in my opinion. <a class="break-all" href="http://m.guardian.co.uk/?id=102202&story=www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/15/girls-boys-think-same-way" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this article is a useful antidote to those who like to point out that men are naturally better at x, y or z.

I am of the opinion that men and women are basically the same. There is far more variance within the sexes, than between.

TheFallenMadonna · 18/08/2010 11:12

I think there are average physical differences but there is such a large range that it is not safe or reasonable to make any judgements based on them. It needs to be individual.

I think with anything non-physical you get into difficulties with measurement.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 18/08/2010 11:09

Physically - I'm talking bits here - there are obvious differences, although of course there is a huge area of intersex that is not talked about much. In terms of strength & height and face shape etc, I agree with the OP - average small differences, but not really worth getting het up over, unless you really need someone who's 7 foot tall, in which case a man is your best bet.

But mentally/psychologically I am inclined to think we are basically the same. Or rather, we are all different and grouping by sex is probably a bit of a red herring. However the things we are taught to be good at, and ways we are taught to behave by society are often very different. I was trying to explain this recently by saying that if you are trained to be a truck driver from birth, presented with pictures of trucks, toy trucks, games to improve co-ordination etc, it's no surprise that your brain develops in a way favourable to truck driving. If a boy is allowed/encouraged to play computer games that promote quick reactions and concentration, while a girl would be prevented from doing the same (possibly by worries about being "anti-social"), it's not surprise if the boy becomes better at mechanical stuff and not so good at communication.

MummyBerryJuice · 18/08/2010 11:06

We are different physically but of the same value. I think that the problem arises when people use our average physical differences and confer a value difference from them.

For example:

It is 'better' to be stronger.
The average man is stronger than the average woman.
Therefore men are 'better' than women.

We, as feminists, take exception to the (erroneous) conclusion but I think we often struggle to engage with people in a way that highlight how illogical these type of conclusions are.

PotPourri · 18/08/2010 09:39

Well of coirse it's a. Of course they are not actually the same.... one's a man one's a woman!

purits · 18/08/2010 09:37

They are not physically the same - a man can never have a baby and I can never grow a beard (oh: I need a better example than that!Grin)
But mentally, I would like to think that we are the same blank canvas so that either sex could fulfil what are traditionally gendered roles eg doctor/nurse, breadwinner/carer etc.

ValiumSingleton · 18/08/2010 09:28

I think the average woman is different from the average man, but I think men seem to enjoy a position or a status which is based on the better than the average and perhaps it's the opposite for women.

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