why do women collude in their own oppression?

Hang on SR have you forgotten your posts you were actively encouraging Dittany to come on.

You come across as a prostitution endorsing self opinionated women hater.

How strange that you don't think it appropriate to discuss these things in a topic called Feminism/women's rights.
And I would reiterate the very valid point made earlier by another poster that it is quite uncomfortable to have a man here judging the quality or worth of contributions within this topic.

dittany ..if i do as you put it single you out..it is because you come across as self opinionated, agressive, jaded man hating woman.
And all your posts have that slant,..i dont care what your opinion is of me in the slightest..ok.
Its strange isnt it how if a conversation on here gets a little less agressive and confrontational.. ..in you come and wind it up again with your radical man hating garbage.
Save it for your rad fem coffee Mornings ...

What is a radical feminist? Is that like a radical race equality ambassador? Or someone radically against discrimination of people with disabilities.

And why is being a feminist, radical or otherwise, going to do anything within an equal relationship?

Hearing one of the contributors on this thread uses prostitutes it reminds me of one such idiot I met in a bar in China. He seriously believed that the prostitute he'd used in Thailand thoroughly enjoyed her job and especially him as she gave him an afternoon for free and obviously enjoyed the sex. It didn't occur to him that if she had lay there emotionless and hadn't offered him a freebie he would not have used her for a further two days. How arrogant.

Men experienced with prostitutes can not deny the connection between what they do and trafficked women.

AS a buyer of sex, you are the ultimate perpetrator. Now if that does not quite sit right, well you try say that you caring towards the victim and other complete bullshit.

Men who go to prostitutes do not want an equal, sharing relationship.

They do not want to be nice.

They do not want to ask.

They like the power involved in buying a human being who can be made to do almost anything.

I am not surprised that SR can not ever imagine an equal world.

...and actually I think that relates back to the original question.
Women often collude in their own oppression because they are railroaded into thinking that feminism about something other than equality. That its something extreme and unreasonable.

Its slightreturn who keeps referring to radical feminists. I think its pertinent to understand his definition of what one is.

"militant minded women who tend to bitch about a patriachal society, endlessly whining about inequality etc etc etc....is that enough..?"

Sight. Although site may fit in better for some participants.

Quite Dittany.
I'd say that a fair amount of restraint is present on this thread.
And in return are 'jokes' and 'lols' at the expense of one of us. It's quite an ugly site.

not really leningrad..you wanted the children, so in theory you should look after them for free? otherwise having kids is a career move ,..well thats happening anyway isnt it really..with young girls popping kids out for the child benefit etc..also paying minders in turn massages the jobless figures.

just because they 'know'en are capable doesnt mean they will be..im capable of skydiving..but i bloody wont..lol!

Lenin, I think that is one of the best places to start,
I started a thread about it somewhere, but it got a lot of opposition because people were pointing out that it would ghetto women into the home again. That is one problem to be considered but I still think that mothers (or fathers) should receive a living wage for raising their own children.
CHildren are NOT a lifestyle choice; that's just something the capitalists say to avoid shelling out money to parents.

I seem to have got cut off. Gremlins

I think feminism is necessary because a lot of men will not give up advantage without being pressed.

I do not of course mean pressed with a hot iron. (Joke)
I heard germaine Greer say she did not think what she was advocating long ago has come to pass.

She told the then PM, Tony Blair, that he should "pay housewives." Tony smiled. He would, wouldn,t he?

I tend to think feminism is necessary too

I read somewhere that radical means "getting to the root" as in getting to the root of the problem.

I don't think radical feminism is in any way incompatible with raising children. I think it helps children, and society, because the priority is on women and mothers.

You could say that feminists, see men as more human, and more capable than a non-feminist because they expect reciprocation, and they know men are capable of it. And they can't tolerate male violence or misogyny because they don't regard it as being 'natural' or inevitable.