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why do women collude in their own oppression?

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ColdComfortFarm · 13/08/2010 22:05

Following the notorious Sebastian Horley thread, I feel utter despair at the way women defend their oppressors. Black people would never attend the funeral of someone who advocated cutting up black people with chainsaws, enslaving and raping them, so why do women? I'm not a fool, I know that society protects misogynists in a way it does not protect racists, but even so, why do women support women-haters in a way that Jews or black people (for example) do not? And how can we change this?

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chibi · 14/08/2010 18:40

joined mumsnet to comment on the Sebastian Horsley thread, i had just googled Sebastian Horsley and one of the pages was this one.

oh arf

i just googled it myself, the mumsnet page is on page 6

www.google.co.uk/#q=sebastian+horsley&hl=fr&rlz=1R2IRFC_enCA351&prmd=ivlo&ei=ENRmTJyUJ9TvngeoxLHBBQ&start=50&sa=N&fp=295af7838dd7e22b

where did you really find the thread?

and well done dittany

Janos · 14/08/2010 18:37

I have also noticed that Dittany is being singled out for attack here - seen it before on other threads too -and I find it very distasteful.

ColdComfortFarm · 14/08/2010 18:34

Dittany some psychologists believe that most women who want relationships with convinced and imprisoned killers have a background of being abused, and may seek a relationship where they feel in control, where they can decide the contact etc and be safe. I suspect there is also the lure of fame. It is a bizarre phenomenon. Perhaps such men seem hyper-male in their violence, and we live in a society where women are taught to revere maleness, so for some it would seem natural to revere hyper-maleness even more?

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lifeinlimbo · 14/08/2010 18:32

I agree with Dittany!

Yes anger is one good political tool. Raising awareness is very strong too, and can lead to anger when people realise the unfairness.
Ensuring equality is good (supporting equality and fighting inequality), and supporting other women is a very strong tool in allowing them not to collude in oppression.

slightreturn · 14/08/2010 18:21

I think you need to grow up a little...
So this is the score..
I am not allowed to express my opinion, is that correct? You are but i'm not..how bullyish is that!
nasdaq, if you think you can report me for having used a prostitute many years ago, you will also not only have to report the entire british army , air force and navy but also an enormous amount of civillian men and women too.
I joined mumsnet to comment on the Sebastian Horsley thread, i had just googled Sebastian Horsley and one of the pages was this one.
Scumbag now am i...how well you carry yourself verbally dittany.
No i am not interested in you at all, your views yes..but that's as far as it goes thank you!

FallingWithStyle · 14/08/2010 18:17

Definitely with you Dittany.

nasdaq · 14/08/2010 18:11

Well done Dittany.

I agree with Dittany.

slightreturn · 14/08/2010 18:07

you believe what you like dittany, it's your right, ok.
I'm sure loads of happily married women have had moments where their partner has wanted sex and they haven't really wanted to, but have.
Thank god all those women don't start crying 'abuser'!..where would we be.
So maybe we should just agree to differ..yes?

nasdaq · 14/08/2010 18:06

Can we report his posts as a sexual abuser, he has admitted that he used prostitutes?

Is that enough to get you banned from mumsnet?

ColdComfortFarm · 14/08/2010 18:05

I agree with Dittany

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nasdaq · 14/08/2010 18:02

Sgt. Doug Lang, when head of the Vancouver police department's vice unit. "In talking to the women, I have never, never spoken to a prostitute who's said to me 'I enjoy what I do, so leave me alone.' "

What utter rubbish from SR.

SR, you can not justify that you abused a woman, by saying it was her choice. Utter rot.

slightreturn · 14/08/2010 17:58

ope , never been here before the Horsley thread. didnt even know the site existed dittany.
Do you take your screen name from Dittany Of Crete..'miracle cure' plant?..not working right now is it.
I am able to read members posts on the other topics on this site dittany it's not rocket science you know.
I have no desire to make you feel unwelcome at all dittany but if you chose to post, then with that comes replies.

dittany · 14/08/2010 17:53

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slightreturn · 14/08/2010 17:47

lifeinlimbo..I don't resort to prostitutes now. I have used prostitutes, but many years ago now, and before you all scream 'it makes no difference how long ago it was!'..yeah ok!
I go back to my original posting on the other site, not all women in the sex business are forced into it, hopefully i wont have to repeat that yet again.
And dittany, you have mounted many personal attacks not only on me here but also on other topics on this site, on women who don't agree with your gung ho attitute or display a tad more tolerance than you.
And before you bludgeoned your way in i was actually engaged in a very interesting conversation with others on here.

dittany · 14/08/2010 17:36

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dittany · 14/08/2010 17:33

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lifeinlimbo · 14/08/2010 17:30

We really see his true colours in his 16:47 post. How unpleasant. No wonder he resorts to prostitutes. This must be the reason he is interested in this thread - because he uses oppressed women himself. He does not contribute anything of value to the debate - please leave slightreturn.

Dittany your posts are insightful, interesting and strong! In every situation, it takes strength and power to fight for what is right. Some women are not yet in a position to that, so it is up to those who are.

slightreturn · 14/08/2010 17:29

i didn't abuse her at all..she asked me for the money i gave it to her. she was a very nice woman..we talked as well believe it or not. But i guess you don't want to hear that do you, you would prefer the meatrack story.

my conscience doesn't prick me at all...because it doesn't need to. Should you view also apply to girls who sell kisses at charity fetes? Should i think oh god i did an intimate thing with her and money changed hands..the shame.
I am stating my opinion unapologeticaly too dittany..because i think there are things that need to be said too...ring any bells?

dittany · 14/08/2010 17:23

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slightreturn · 14/08/2010 17:17

you really are laughable!
as i said , think what you like of me, i could care. I have right to express my opinion as you do yours, i do not hate women at all never have, never will.
Your own words show exactly how you think dittany, every time you open your mouth, all that emerges is hateful claptrap. everything you say is edged with it, my only guess is that you are so lost inside it you no longer see.
Women with your atittude and general agressiveness will achieve nothing for the cause you supposedly support.
Indeed there are women on here who do not agree with your stance at all, but you are entitled to your opinion and of course have the right to express it where you choose.

dittany · 14/08/2010 17:04

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slightreturn · 14/08/2010 16:59

stop going on the defensive..i judge nobody, in truth i'm just expressing my point of view thats all. I know i am a man, does that negate my right to have a point of view here?
my points have been judged here by women so if you can dish it ..then learn to take it as well..only fair after all..isnt it?