straight pornography is male gay in sensibility

what an interesting discussion.

with discussions about misogyny in fashion it often comes back to the fact that lots of designers and other men in the fashion industry are gay. Can a similar thing be said about the porn industry?

Oh sorry for misundertanding

No you misunderstood me completely!

I mean that the demand is for women who look very different, in order to make the viewer feel more comfortable. I mean that maybe men like porn with these very strange looking women, because when porn is made with normal looking women, men don't like it as it makes them feel uncomfortable.

Just a thought

It is definitely true though that the typical look of a porn star is a look that men claim not to find very attractive (and in fact many seem to say they find that "look" quite scary), so it does beg the question, why is that the look which is in these films?

ISNT wrote - "Do the women look so strange to create a sense of distance between them and what they are doing"

Wouldn't that suggest that porn "actresses" were dictating the terms of their appearance? I think they are picked by the producers for their look rather than the other way around. I suspect the producers are unlikely to care about the distance a porn actress feels from her "work".

Pornography is all about worshipping the penis. I have noticed, however, that the male stars are all completely fugly.

Do the women look so strange to create a sense of distance between them and what they are doing/having done to them and real actual women that men know? As they would feel really uncomfortable watching it if the women looked like normal real women that they might actually know in real life and fancy?

Don't know.

Also my viewing of porn is not very extensive, and so it's possible that what I have seen is one "type" and in fact there are lots of others around, rendering my point nonsense!

Interesting.

I have a few random thoughts

Mainly that pornography is mainy made by men, for men, and so the anal sex/penis/penetration/come shots are presumably what turns on the people who are making the films. So I would say that teh prevalence of these practices isn't to do with homosexuality but just to do with male sexuality, and specifically the male sexuality of the men making these films. There is also the drive for everything to get more and more extreme - porn has changed enormously over the last 30 years or however long, in the same way that everything on television/film has got more extreme. And people watch it because it's what they're presented with, and get used to it, and desensitised and so on.

Having said that, reading the coke/porn thread, and the one where someone said that leg models for tights were usually male legs (don't know if that's true) and the trans threads. Anyway, it occured to me that the women in porn often resemble a male physique with breasts stuck on rather than an actual woman IYSWIM. Apart from the vagina, obviously! But the typical porny style physique is very thin, fairly straight, with pneumatic plastic immovable breasts stuck on the front. OTOH (as men I know never tire of pointing out) the women they actually want to see with no clothes on are curvier and with natural breasts. The women on page 3 often look much more "normal" and softer and more natural than the women in porn (thinking mainly american porn TBH).

I don't know if there is a point in there somewhere. But it does seem odd. Who are these very thin plastic women aimed at? Men watch it because it's what's given to them, but in fact most men don't even seem to fancy women who look like that IYSWIM.

It's all very odd.

I don't believe that psychoanalysts are arguing that anymore, are they? Surely there aren't still professionals around who believe homosexuality is some kind of mental health problem?