straight pornography is male gay in sensibility

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Well done, our first foray into feminist investigative journalism . tell your DH you are doing important works in the names of Mumsnet!

Well I can confirm that there are websites for lesbian porn. I haven't watched any, just found an article on a lesbain site with links.

So it's there. So there you have it.

Not sure what the next move is TBH. DH is looking at me like this

But wrt the OP I think much of what passes as hyper-male behaviour, such as the inhuman treatment of women, violence etc is a reaction against the feminine within. Men are so conditioned to hate the feminine principle, and to associate it with weakness, fragility, receptivity that they must distance themselves from the concept by 'killing' it. But of course everyone has a spectrum of strength---weakness within themselves.

Maybe porn is part of this male attempt to not be gay/feminine/weak because they sense that deep down they are fragile. But I don't think you can call that 'gay'. Because 'gay' doesn't equate to weakness in reality. Just in the confused minds of the hyper-male.
And by 'minds' I of course mean 'durr testicles.

Is everyone waiting for her to report back from the front line?

Right I'm going in...

Mumsnet lesbians, where are you? We need to know!

Ah well there is a lot of erotic/porn writing on the net, that;s for sure!

I agree with blinder that you probably have to know where to look and googling would not yield the right results.

I think the answer to the OPs question lies in lesbian porn.

now there's a thought

Probably!

I would imagine that you would have to wade through mountains of crap male-made 'lesbian' porn to find any.

I think there is. My best friend is a lesbian and she and her partner indulge in a bit of porn (films and literature). I haven't really asked her about it to date. Must bring it up over our next drunken meet-up! (in the interests of feminist research on behalf of MN, of course!)

There is so many different types of porn out there that i am pretty sure there must be some Lesbian pron made by lesbians

Is there even such a thing as lesbian porn made by lesbians? There must be...

I have seen some porn made by a British women for straight women.

But never gay porn for either gay men or women.

i think that porn made for lesbians would be interesting to see how different it is to porn made for men.

I've never seen gay porn, either. I wonder...

I have only ever seen lesbian sex depicted in straight porn - so for the benefit of men. It left me cold. I am straight, but that's not the point. It was just totally geared towards men - women being penetrated by each other in all sorts of inconceivable ways.

I'm pretty sure this is not a true representation of sex between lesbians. Not to say that it doesn't happen, but just that it is not all about how far you can stretch each other's vaginas to accommodate various implements

I've read some erotica for/by gay women, but not seen any films. If I remember it was quite sci-fi, gothic in tone. But I may have wandered into a sub-genre !

I know that lady vampires featured quite heavily.

I think porn's just porn TBH. The sensibilities are the same - straight porn is made by men, so is male gay porn.

Dunno about gay women's porn.

I've never seen any gay porn. For gay men or gay women.

What is porn made for gay women like? Now there's a question. there must be some.

I mean 'damaged' as in 'deliberately harmed/hurt'.

What about actual gay porn? I haven't seen any but I'd be interested to know if gay men are objectified and damaged in the same way.

I think there was someone arguing fairly recently that homosexuality can result from oppressive mothering/weak fathering. There was understandably a furore about the prejudice(s) underpinning that view.

good theory ReasonableDoubt. And the women getting hurt in the film as punishment for all the women who have ever rejected you....

I think so, yes. I think the women have to be uber-attractive so as to almost be intimidating to inadequate males - too hot for them - but then the 'beauty' of it in the eyes of the men who enjoy the porn is that the women are almost always portrayed as powerless, accommodating, easy, compliant. Every base covered.

It depresses me, really.

reasonabledoubt is that why the women are scary? As to pander to that male need, the women engaging in all these acts have to be teh sort of woman that a teenage boy would be shit=scared of, and that completes the fantasy?

Sorry didn't follow that fashion thought through. Haven't been on any of the threads on here. I would say that some of the images presented on teh catwalk and by the fashion industry do not exactly resonate with a love for the female models. But the clothes - I don't know. We are as a society attuned to thinking thin looks great - the models represent an extreme - is it a vicious circle? As the public's eye gets more used to emaciated women, the models get thinner, and so it goes on?

As for the "boyishness" of the models - if you're young and over 6' and very thin then that's the way your body will be naturally I think?

I don't think we should go off on one about fashion though as this conversation is interesting enough - but there may be parallels there. Or just the fashion for how women look - models, actresses, porn stars, it all feeds off each other.

Porn is homo-erotic in some ways, yes. It's all about dicks and cum shots. But I don't think the porn industry is dominated by gay men in the same way that the fashion industry is. There is too much emphasis on big breasts and big bottoms for that .

I think it is dominated by the repressed (or just plain inexperienced) teenage boy's idea of sex that lurks inside every man. The memory of being a powerless young man, scared of rejection, scared of sex, scared of women. Many men never really get over that.

Porn is designed to allay every fear that young / inadequate men have about 'scary' females. So - women will say 'yes' to whatever you want, they 'won't' ever say 'no' or laugh at the size of your dick or be repulsed by your body or your sexual fantasies...oh, and of course thet will all be as young, thin, have enormous knockers and shaven havens and take it up the arse willingly. You, the man, will never be knocked back or belittled or made to feel weak.

Pathetic, really.

I had that thought earlier but I'm not sure it's the same.

The catwalk models are the shape they are because that's the shape that flatters the clothes most?

Would most men making porn films be gay? I have no idea. There is obviously a huge gay porn industry - I have no idea whether people usually are gay and start making gay porn and then move to making straight porn. No idea at all. I do know that straight men often act in gay porn films, which doesn't sound like much fun.