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Lymond · 08/02/2010 19:01

I namechanged to Lymond recently to try to come across some other DD fans on mumsnet. [lame obsessive emoticon] I was hoping for

"Lymond - as in Francis Crawford of?" as a hijack on some other thread. But it hasn't happened yet. Any other Dunnett fans on mumsnet?

And anyone who has stumbled across this, if you want historical prose even more beautifully written than Wolf Hall, a hero even sexier than Edward Cullen, historical accuracy to outstrip even Patrick O'Brien, combined with humour and adventure, yet scarily unsentimental, go and buy or borrow the Game of Kings.

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Pogleswood · 11/02/2010 10:13

Daniel Craig? Daniel Craig? Noooooooo!Actually I think David Tennant is more the Lymond type,if it wasn't for the colouring.

But I don't watch enough TV/film at the moment,so I would have(from the past!) Benedict Taylor as Lymond www.imdb.com/rg/action-box-name/headshot/media/rm518099456/nm0852028 and Phoebe Nicholls as Phillippa. www.filmdope.com/Gallery/ActorsN/12831.gif

Also - Francis and Marthe are similiar enough to be mistaken for each other - so Francis must be relatively slight,surely??

AppleTreeWick · 11/02/2010 09:02

Hmmm who would play Francis Crawford? Erm I suppose physically Daniel Craig maybe or Tom Hardy?

Christopher Ecclestone would have been magnificent obviously but Mr CE is simply magnificent in everything so it goes without saying. Christopher Ecclestone pops down to Greggs. Magnificent.

And Phillippa...the wonderful woman who played The Devils Whore last year.

We'd have to fit John Simm in somewhere too....Danny! Marvelous I'll call BBC Drama shall I?

FromGirders · 10/02/2010 23:27

Wash your mouth out!!! DT as Lymond??? Have you read the books?? What happened to blond and blue eyed?

Sorry, that was a bit of a rant - don't get me wrong, I like DT, but not that way . . .

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 10/02/2010 23:18

Oh god, yes David Tennant would be a good Lymond.

I had almost forgotten about Pawn in Frankincense

I definitely fall into the 'big reader' bracket - not so much since having DS as I find it hard to imerse myself in a book in the same way.

missingfrasier · 10/02/2010 22:42

O this takes me back. I was obsessed when I discovered them (via my mum) at about 15. I loved them.
Pogglewood - yes I remember the death of Oonagh O'Dwyer - awful. But my personal favourite was the Russian one - the Ringed Castle and that masque type thing they do and Philippa falls, breaks her arm and is unconscious and you realise Lymond has fallen for Philippa...
I also hoped they would film them but it would be great if they did them justice.
Who would you allhave as Lymond? David Tennant?
Lovely to find so many fellow fans....
I too found Niccolo a bit harder to get into but who knows.

Pogleswood · 10/02/2010 22:31

Yes,Pawn in Frankincense I find almost too much,it just keeps on being heartrending all the way through - all the storyline involving Khaireddin.(and Oonagh O'Dwyer)

JackieNo,if you have any spare time to do it,I'd recommend listening to them - it seems to require less concentration somehow.

Lymond,your big reader description fits me,and the friend who is also a DD fan,but I'm not sure about my Mum - though she was always a reader.

I think it's hard to convey to someone who hasn't read the books how much depth they have - they sound like standard historical romance if you describe them,but there is so much more to them,isn't there?

FromGirders · 10/02/2010 21:28

Oh god, I'm getting tense at the very thought of Pawn in Frankincense. It haunted me for weeks when i first read it and that was long before kids! Haven't read it since having my own babies . . .

AppleTreeWick · 10/02/2010 18:45

Happy to serve

Lymond · 10/02/2010 18:39

Pissing myself laughing at "ooh look snow" DD would approve!

And another one Jackie No. I thought I'd have to bump for days to find anyone.... Agree with you about Pawn in Frankincense; I do re-read it, but still sob loudly at that part.

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JackieNo · 10/02/2010 18:27

Me me me - I'm a fan too. But I find they need a lot of concentration, and some fair old chunks of time, to read, which I find more difficult to find these days. As a result I haven't re-read them for far too long . I also find that since having children, I find it almost too painful to read Pawn in Frankincense.

AppleTreeWick · 10/02/2010 18:15

Snigger's at self. I didn't mean to suggest that my sentence structure had been necessarily improved...I am just very ambitious about how many sub clauses and meanderings, ooh look snow, that I can squeeeeze into each paragraph sentence which I assume I got from DD. It's the scale that I'm copying really not the competence!

That's so sad that you stopped writing! I stopped too after my grammar and spelling and general lack of punctuation had been ridiculed once too often at college.

I used to read in bulk certainly but stopped reading upon conception of DD1 and am only just getting back into it. I have always found reading a big thick book (BTB patent pending) very comforting. Pratchett for example is a reliable source of good BTB.

That bookmatchingmap thing from earlier in the thread is a great idea I have copied a few names down to give them a try out.

Lymond · 10/02/2010 17:58

that should be your in the first sentence

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Lymond · 10/02/2010 17:57

I'm impressed that you're sentence structure has been improved by reading them, ATW. I was an aspiring writer until I read DD, but realised I could never match up to that, and gave up, barely wrote again until I discovered mn!

I wasn't surprised when I found out DD was also a painter - she paints such glorious pictures with words, and as you say, leaves such vivid images. I usually skim read over descriptions in novels, and slow down for dialogue, but I savour every sentence with DD.

I've never had much luck recommending her to others, apart from DH. I have a personal theory that only BIG readers like her books. People who read a couple of books a week, most of their lives. Every one I know who likes her books fit that description. Am I right?

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AppleTreeWick · 10/02/2010 17:45

Am very Gellis that you had the verse at your wedding Lymond brilliant idea.

The Lymond series was just brilliant - so dense and full of meaty goodness it left the most vivid images in my mind and may have permanently affected my sentence structure. I think it just set my expectations too high (for the next series and possibly men).

So have you ever managed to get a Lymond quote into general conversation?

I sometimes languish locked in L...the river crossing quote with the scotish heiress has stuck with me too, something like "we need practice at that, shall we do it again?" after falling in the river... As a quote it is highly adaptable especially when work goes to the dunny. What's the brother's name?

Yes ... I am going to re read them asap.

FromGirders · 10/02/2010 17:24

Thank you for looking Mrs S! I'll keep hounding people on Amazon. Must check Abebooks too . . .
Lymond - why didn't i think of having that at my wedding! Mind you, it'd have made me cry. I really fancy the Companion - sound like it would be worth it?

Lymond · 10/02/2010 15:16

I had Tante que je vivre (in English and French... so poncey I know) as a reading at our wedding, so you've just brought back some lovely memories AppleTreeWick!

Danny one of my favourite characters. Marthe, though, pah!

Pogleswood - the characters grow on you in HoN, but never to extent of LC, not for me, either. Never got Gellis, though apparently DD said that it is no coincidence that her name sounds like "jealous" and to read her with that in mind. There is also some sneaky and very clever plotting, so you discover at the end of the series that a character you've known from the first book is very different to how they seem.

There are some nice links; direct (lineage including some that has a bearing on K vs K, Dame de Doubtance kind of explanations about Lymond and Niccolo) and indirect (Niccolo having fears/thought/flashforwards to things that happened to Lymond)

In a rush, ask me to clarify if my witterings aren't making sense! Unfortunately don't have a DD level IQ (apparently hers was off the scale in some areas, which its easy to believe!)

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AppleTreeWick · 10/02/2010 14:59

oh I say at Pogleswood

soooooooo if there is an online discussion group for all things Nicolas I wonder if there is Francisfanfic?

Anyway...work to do tum te tum wanders off webwards

Pogleswood · 10/02/2010 14:34

So was this practising in the privacy of your own room,AppleTreeWick?! I preferred it when he was still the Master of Culter,myself!

AppleTreeWick · 10/02/2010 14:29

Aha! Thank you Pogleswood. So Liemond is canon then?

I used to experiment pronouncing Lymond in various really quite poor scots accents (think "we're doomed")to try and get something that sounded like it could be a hero name. I ended up ignoring it by the end...Voevoda Bolshoi I liked, now that was a hero name...

Pogleswood · 10/02/2010 14:12

AppleTreeWick! Everyone loved him,didn't they (Again,obvious characters excepted!)
I always said Limond,(i as in list) but the narrator of the audio books says Liemond - took me a while to get used to that..

AppleTreeWick · 10/02/2010 13:27

oh oh oh...I have never actually known how to pronounce Lymond...is it Lie-mond or li'mond then?

AppleTreeWick · 10/02/2010 13:23

Tant que je vivre....from memory so it's probably wrong

"As long as I live, my heart shall never vary
for no one else however fair or good,
brave, resolute or rich of gentle blood
my choice is made and I will have no other"

Sob...I think Lymond RUINED me for normal life tbh thank you for reminding me (in a good way obviously)I will now spend the afternoon daydreaming about Phillipa's adventures (God I loved her too).

Also...."the Bishop's get"...Danny something loved him too. He fell in love with a Tartar girl then snuffled his way through France.

Pogleswood · 10/02/2010 13:06

I'm working up to getting the Dorothy Dunnett Companion,but can't quite bring myself to spend the money,as I'm spending far too much money on books at the moment anyway!
My problem with the Niccolo books is that I didn't particularly like any of the characters,whereas I was going to list the Lymond characters I really like and realised it is pretty much all of them(with certain obvious exceptions!)And I find the politics and history fascinating,but in the Niccolo area and time period it just doesn't capture my interest in the same way.(have only read the first 2 books I think)
So,those of you who have read HoN - what is it that you like particularly?

MrsSaxon · 10/02/2010 10:00

FromGirders alas, no Game of Kings, I will keep an eye out though at the boot fairs etc.

Alibabaaandthe40nappies I would certainly read the Niccolo series before a Lymond re-read.

Lymond · 10/02/2010 08:18

I wondered why they changed narrator after GoK. That's the one I'm on now... good to hear it improves.

FromGirders - I collect DD books in all their many editions from charity shops, as I don't like seeing them look lonely next to trashy books, just doesn't seem right! So next time I'm in my loft I'll check whether I have an old GoK for you.

Who owns Elspeth Morrisons "Dorothy Dunnett Companion pt1 and pt 2". You can look up all the quotes from chapter headings, things characters say in different languages, etc.. As I'm sure you all know, these things often have a large bearing on what is actually going on. I mean to look each thing up when I read Niccolo next - I think it may help.

Good luck MrsSaxon! I'll finish the series I'm currently reading, and then start NR too.

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