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Any other Dorothy Dunnett fans?

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Lymond · 08/02/2010 19:01

I namechanged to Lymond recently to try to come across some other DD fans on mumsnet. [lame obsessive emoticon] I was hoping for

"Lymond - as in Francis Crawford of?" as a hijack on some other thread. But it hasn't happened yet. Any other Dunnett fans on mumsnet?

And anyone who has stumbled across this, if you want historical prose even more beautifully written than Wolf Hall, a hero even sexier than Edward Cullen, historical accuracy to outstrip even Patrick O'Brien, combined with humour and adventure, yet scarily unsentimental, go and buy or borrow the Game of Kings.

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scaryteacher · 28/04/2010 23:51

I'd best re read Niccolo then after the GCSE marking is over, as I knew that Niccolo and Lymond had connections, but not Gabriel.

PricklyThistle · 27/04/2010 19:58

I noticed your name Lymond, and did wonder - I read the books as a teenager on the recommendation of my Higher French teacher, to whom I will be eternally grateful!! This thread has reminded me how fabulous those books were, and I'm going to read them again now. Been a while, so hopefully will be like reading them afresh all over again. Thank you

Lymond · 27/04/2010 19:48

scaryteacher - we'll you'd have made my day if you'd replied sevigny on another thread!

I'm going to ruin yours, alas, by saying that DD confirmed, before she died that Kuzum was Gabriel's child. (The other pawn, who died, was Lymond's) Lymond chose to save the child best equipped to live, even though he guessed it wasn't his. In the Niccolo books, however, it is clear that Lymond and Gabriel have ancestors in common, so both children are related to both of them.

(RL intervened so haven't been on mn for a week.)

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scaryteacher · 20/04/2010 14:05

Roary - Diana Galbaldon?

scaryteacher · 20/04/2010 14:03

Charles Dance or Damien Lewis as Gabriel, especially in Istanbul. Damien Lewis as Will Scott.

Possibly DT as Lymond; Richard Armitage as Jerrot Blythe?

Not keen, but Karen Gillan as Philippa?

The guy who played Much in Robin Hood as Niccolo?

OP, I did notice your name the other day on another thread and nearly posted 'Sevigny' to see a response!

I first read the Lymonds in 1985 when I was 19, and reread annually. I'm still finding things in them, and the Lymond Companion which I shelled out for is excellent.

I have all the Niccolos as well and enjoyed them too, but Lymond has really ruined me for anyone else iyswim.

I STILL after all these years cannot work out who was Kuzum's mother and father. I still hope it was Joleta and Lymond.

Abebooks is a good source for tracking the books down; that's how I replaced my falling apart copies.

JackieNo · 20/04/2010 13:51

I'm enjoying them so much, you wouldn't believe. I hadn't re-read them since the DCs were born, but now they're older, I can grab bigger chunks of time to get through them (and keep the concentration I find I need to keep track of everything).

OrmRenewed · 19/04/2010 21:45

O.M.G!

I hadn't given a thought to Dorothy Dunnett for about 30 years. I used to love these books. Such a crush on Frances Crawford

Lymond · 19/04/2010 10:30

Really? That's hilarious! I really must re-read Nicholas.

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JackieNo · 17/04/2010 17:07

Just resurrecting this thread, because it made me start re-reading all the Nicholas books. I'm currently reading 'To Lie with Lions', and on the bit that's set in Iceland, and the volcano that erupts in the book is the same one that's causing all the problems with the ash here at the moment!

MrsSaxon · 13/03/2010 10:32

Just finished Spring of the Ram, twas mazin.

Having a break to read Wolf Hall, then on to Race of Scorpions.

Anyone else re-reading?

Roary, unfortunately, though there are some fantastic authors out there, no-one compares to Dunnett.

roary · 12/03/2010 14:44

I started a thread ages ago to see if anyone had any great historical fiction recommendations that would even come close to measuring up but no luck....

I actually read Niccolo first and feel the opposite from all of you - never really warmed up to Lymond in the same way.

Still looking for recommendations, even if they are not quite as good!

Lymond · 25/02/2010 12:51

SUL - I'm jealous, I wish my grandfathers name had been Lymond! Try reading "a Game of Kings" and pretend you're related to the hero!

Mrs Saxon, Yes I know I need to read them without comparing.... I get the new Dr Who comparison!

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StiffUpperHip · 23/02/2010 12:45

Didn't know there was a Lymond book. Have noticed your name before purely because it was dh's grandfather's first name. We think he was named for a surname further back in the family, down as Limon or somesuch.

MrsSaxon · 16/02/2010 10:33

Just finished Niccolo Rising, much better the second time, truly amazing read.

After a Dunnett book you feel immersed in the period, it all seems so real.

I think the 1st time I read the Niccolo books I kept comparing them, on some level, to the Lymonds, instead of enjoying them for what they are.

Its a bit like when you get a new Doctor who, if that makes any sense.

PrincessFiorimonde · 13/02/2010 22:56

Thanks, Lymond.

Lymond · 12/02/2010 19:48

Its Checkmate

"In the end, as the beginning, for Alastair, who was the inspiration of the legend of Francis Crawford, and whose love for Scotland, in word and deed, has done more for her than Lymond ever has."

so lovely

He was the editor of the Scotsman Newspaper. Don't know much more about him than that.

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PrincessFiorimonde · 12/02/2010 19:19

Again from memory - a dedication to one(?) of the books: 'For Alastair, who has done more for Scotland than Lymond ever could.' Is that right?

Lymond · 12/02/2010 17:14

Yes it is a great thread!

Combining mn and DD - my two biggest addictions...!

Yes I love that quote too PF. Sends shivers down my spine. Now why can't real men do romance like that?! (Though apparently Lymond is based on Alastair Dunnett... lucky Dorothy)

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PrincessFiorimonde · 12/02/2010 15:54

Great thread!

Lymond, saw your name on another thread the other day and immediately thought of 'Long as I live ...' (Not that I'm going to love you forever - you know what I mean!)

'Kate is my friend. That much is true. But the songs were for her daughter. And the passion, for ever.'

!!!!

Loved the Lymond books, tho' years since I read them. This is making me want to read them all over again (but, sadly, lost my copies in the course of several house moves).

I did read the first Niccolo book and didn't much take to it. Tho', having read this thread, I see I'm going to have to try the series again.

Lymond · 12/02/2010 11:15

That sounds like to perfect kind of virus though Mrs Saxon - ill enough to be in bed, but not ill enough to not be able to read

Hope you get well soon.

A younger Russell Crowe as Nicholas for me; but my DH looks like RC, so I'm biased! (I'd rather he looked like David Tennant though!)

Could picture Daniel Craig as Gabriel. Would be perfect for making the viewers believe his deception of being a good guy, since we're used to seeing him in heroic roles.

Doesn't Lymond say that he knew Gabriel wasn't as he seemed when the boats of refugees got turned away from Malta; that if he was as good as he seemed, it would have killed him to have t do that/he wouldn't have let it happen?

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MrsSaxon · 12/02/2010 09:44

Daniel Craig would make a good Gabriel.

Nicholas should be someone like James Mcavoy.

I have spent the last day in bed with horrible virus , plus side I am half way through Niccolo rising!

I was just thinking coupla days ago that I wished I had more time to read!

Ha! Be careful what you wish for!

JackieNo · 11/02/2010 21:51

I could go for David Tennant as Lymond, quite easily (mind you, I could go for him full stop )

Daniel Craig would work for me as Niccolo, though he'd need to have darker hair. I definitely think of Lymond as the 'streak of piss' type, and Niccolo as more, um, chunky and muscled.

Mention of Andrea Riseborough who was in the Devil's whore reminded me of Michael Fassbender, who could work as Lymond, and Dominic West, who could be Niccolo.

Pogleswood - thanks for the recommendation about the tapes - I didn't even know there were any till I read about them on this thread

AppleTreeWick · 11/02/2010 13:53

Benedict Taylor hellllooooo you. TY for that Pogleswood.

Francis is 26 in Disorderly Knights I think....I always imagined him as you know...not a streak of piss like yer man Tennant there (no offence) [snigger emoticon]. More chunky...he wrestles as Thady Boy Ballagh surely and indeed is tending to fat by the end of Thady's time at court.

I will admit that the Marthe thing though makes a lot more sense if indeed he is less chunky than I had imagined. Hmmm OK I'm going to withdraw Daniel Craig (sos Dan) but will reassert Tom Hardy who's weight balloons up and down depending on the part quite happily. He does gaunt quite well and has the youth, the life experience plus he can actually act.

And no Phillippa is the lovely whatever she's called from Devils whore. I have never used the word luminous before in relation to a young lady...however she is indeed luminous - accept no substitute.

Lymond · 11/02/2010 10:51

David Tennant with bleached hair, coloured contacts, and a lot younger perhaps! He does have the right kind of energy for Lymond, plus the voice, slight build, etc..
But he is much too old, isn't Lymond only 20 in GoK? (Though, admittedly, everyone assumes he's older).

I wonder whether DT has read them... good Scottish literature. It'd take someone like that getting behind them to get them televised.

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 11/02/2010 10:50

I know he isn't blond and blue-eyed, but I think he would capture the manic edge really well. DC while gorgeous, would be totally wrong.